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mutantclown said:
The more it sells, the more they lose. The percentage of market share they may gain by doing this in the short run won't justify the loss.

If only that were true...

THis early in the generation, if the gap between the systems total sales gets any bigger, M$ knows that they are done.  Like everyone comments around here a lot about, when everyone's friend has a PS4 - everyone else will want a PS4 to play all of the games with.  M$ knows this all to well.  So, they are dropping short term profit for long term viability in the console market.  If the XB1 can get to parity with the PS4 in the US, that will be a win in the long term for M$.  Of course, they will try to actually push to get a sales advantage over time in the US.  

Based on the fact that they have NOT extentended the promotions throughout the world, they have decided to not take a total loss.  



It is near the end of the end....

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Landguy said:
mutantclown said:
The more it sells, the more they lose. The percentage of market share they may gain by doing this in the short run won't justify the loss.

If only that were true...

THis early in the generation, if the gap between the systems total sales gets any bigger, M$ knows that they are done.  Like everyone comments around here a lot about, when everyone's friend has a PS4 - everyone else will want a PS4 to play all of the games with.  M$ knows this all to well.  So, they are dropping short term profit for long term viability in the console market.  If the XB1 can get to parity with the PS4 in the US, that will be a win in the long term for M$.  Of course, they will try to actually push to get a sales advantage over time in the US.  

Based on the fact that they have NOT extentended the promotions throughout the world, they have decided to not take a total loss.  


A loss is a loss. At this rate the Games Division won't ever see profit for the remainder of the Xbone's lifetime, the losses will keep piling up and no amount of game sales/live subscriptions will cover it if they barely match PS4 sales in USA. The kind of loss they're incurring can't keep up for long if the strategy doesn't pay off. This is a major desperation move from Microsoft, this is do or die. And unfortunaly for them  doing it means more than simply matching sales in one territory (albeit the major one), at these prices and throwing away blockbusters for free they MUST outsell PS4 by a significant margin AND have better software sales/subscriptions than the PS4.



mutantclown said:
Landguy said:
mutantclown said:
The more it sells, the more they lose. The percentage of market share they may gain by doing this in the short run won't justify the loss.

If only that were true...

THis early in the generation, if the gap between the systems total sales gets any bigger, M$ knows that they are done.  Like everyone comments around here a lot about, when everyone's friend has a PS4 - everyone else will want a PS4 to play all of the games with.  M$ knows this all to well.  So, they are dropping short term profit for long term viability in the console market.  If the XB1 can get to parity with the PS4 in the US, that will be a win in the long term for M$.  Of course, they will try to actually push to get a sales advantage over time in the US.  

Based on the fact that they have NOT extentended the promotions throughout the world, they have decided to not take a total loss.  


A loss is a loss. At this rate the Games Division won't ever see profit for the remainder of the Xbone's lifetime, the losses will keep piling up and no amount of game sales/live subscriptions will cover it if they barely match PS4 sales in USA. The kind of loss they're incurring can't keep up for long if the strategy doesn't pay off. This is a major desperation move from Microsoft, this is do or die. And unfortunaly for them  doing it means more than simply matching sales in one territory (albeit the major one), at these prices and throwing away blockbusters for free they MUST outsell PS4 by a significant margin AND have better software sales/subscriptions than the PS4.

What utter nonense.

For one, there is no gaming division.  Gaming aspects are now spread over two different divisons.  Hardware and Licencing.

Secondly, you dont have anywhere near enough information or knowledge for this diatribe.

Thirdly.  Microsoft is on the up in every single respect.



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kowenicki said:
mutantclown said:
Landguy said:
mutantclown said:
The more it sells, the more they lose. The percentage of market share they may gain by doing this in the short run won't justify the loss.

If only that were true...

THis early in the generation, if the gap between the systems total sales gets any bigger, M$ knows that they are done.  Like everyone comments around here a lot about, when everyone's friend has a PS4 - everyone else will want a PS4 to play all of the games with.  M$ knows this all to well.  So, they are dropping short term profit for long term viability in the console market.  If the XB1 can get to parity with the PS4 in the US, that will be a win in the long term for M$.  Of course, they will try to actually push to get a sales advantage over time in the US.  

Based on the fact that they have NOT extentended the promotions throughout the world, they have decided to not take a total loss.  


A loss is a loss. At this rate the Games Division won't ever see profit for the remainder of the Xbone's lifetime, the losses will keep piling up and no amount of game sales/live subscriptions will cover it if they barely match PS4 sales in USA. The kind of loss they're incurring can't keep up for long if the strategy doesn't pay off. This is a major desperation move from Microsoft, this is do or die. And unfortunaly for them  doing it means more than simply matching sales in one territory (albeit the major one), at these prices and throwing away blockbusters for free they MUST outsell PS4 by a significant margin AND have better software sales/subscriptions than the PS4.

What utter nonense.

For one, there is no gaming division.  Gaming aspects are now spread over two different divisons.  Hardware and Licencing.

Secondly, you dont have anywhere near enough information or knowledge for this diatribe.

Thirdly.  Microsoft is on the up in every single respect.

Your reply is missing a colon at the end of the first sentence. To encapsule all that followed it.



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mutantclown said:
kowenicki said:

What utter nonense.

For one, there is no gaming division.  Gaming aspects are now spread over two different divisons.  Hardware and Licencing.

Secondly, you dont have anywhere near enough information or knowledge for this diatribe.

Thirdly.  Microsoft is on the up in every single respect.

Your reply is missing a colon at the end of the first sentence. To encapsule all that followed it.

Well clearly not, as my first statement is a statement of fact, as is my third.  So your response here also makes my second a statement of fact by default.



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Pretty obvious that if they didn't have plans to recoup the lost cash from the initial purchase they wouldn't have made the price cut in the first place. Businesses don't drop prices with intent to lose money permanently.

I hope the XB1 dominates November, I want more competition in the gaming segment.



kowenicki said:
mutantclown said:
kowenicki said:

What utter nonense.

For one, there is no gaming division.  Gaming aspects are now spread over two different divisons.  Hardware and Licencing.

Secondly, you dont have anywhere near enough information or knowledge for this diatribe.

Thirdly.  Microsoft is on the up in every single respect.

Your reply is missing a colon at the end of the first sentence. To encapsule all that followed it.

Well clearly not, as my first statement is a statement of fact, as is my third.  So your response here also makes my second a statement of fact by default.

sure, uh huh. If it helps you sleep better at night, good for you.



mutantclown said:
kowenicki said:

Well clearly not, as my first statement is a statement of fact, as is my third.  So your response here also makes my second a statement of fact by default.

sure, uh huh. If it helps you sleep better at night, good for you.

So there is a gaming division?

Not letting you off with your hit and run posts.  Clarify why I am wrong please.  Thanks.



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mutantclown said:
The more it sells, the more they lose. The percentage of market share they may gain by doing this in the short run won't justify the loss.

I completely disagree.  Sony's wasting the six million lead that they've gained on Microsoft by not follwing and doing the same thing. 

$300-500 million over the holiday season is  a lot less to lose than giving up marketshare.  More people will have the Xbox One, so devs will further gimp PS4 versions to maintain Xbox One neutrality, the money lost would be mad back with only a few games or XBL/PS+, and since more people own the console there's the whole view of how many were sold as well as friends who want to get the same consoles as their friends. 

Microsoft might be losing money in the short run, but they're gaining far more back in the long run.  You might as well say they have gained money by doing this rather than losing money,.