But it can also be demonstratably good, when you kill a murderer, or child molester, ect. So then is killing really a bad thing, like video games there is a grey area. There are bad games that you can demonstrate why they are bad.

That's also not a good example. Killing in defense of others is one thing, but what you're describing smells more of reprisal, which is a different matter entirely. It is not demonstrably good.

We're getting a bit far-afield here. We can discuss this topic further elsewhere, if you'd like, but it's distracting us from what we had been talking about, which I continued in a separate post. :P

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That depends on perspective.

Right on, seperate post it is. 

According to Hobbes, killing isn't bad, since the man is a man's wolf. Killing other humans would be something inherent to mankind itself.

You say it is demonstrably bad because you choose to go the Rousseau/Kant way, which is what, actually,  almost everyone thinks, agrees, and is being taught. So, essencially, it is demonstrably bad because people commonly agrees for it, not because it is "bad" in itself.

EDIT: Most people didn't have any problem burning witches during Middle Age. Because that was the normal thing to do. It was the thing the people was taught, what almost everyone thought and what almost everyone agreed on doing.

I wouldn't call it "bad" but I really liked Nuts and Bolts despite obvious flaws. I also really liked Zombi U despite multiple glitches.

Disney Epic Mickey - Despite the garbage camera angles and fetch-questiness of it, I still happily played all the way through this one.

Battle Arena Toshinden - The game that made me need a Playstation. A game I still play and enjoy to this day. Duke's stage is still my favorite video game music track.

DOOM - 32X version - Was my first copy of DOOM, I love it, fart soundtrack and all.

 Zelda: Skyward Sword, and Majora's Mask are games that are definitely not bad... They are critically acclaimed...

At least my definition of what the OP is asking is games that didn't receive much critical acclaim that are probably in your top 5 favorite games of all time....

With that said... my black horse is definitely Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn (7.3 on IGN, 78 Metascore). Fire Emblem fans either love it or hate it... But I think it's one of the best games ever made in terms of story and character development... and I've spent 300+ hours on it... Definitely my most played game on the Wii....

Yes, that's generally my line of thinking with the OP. I was surpised to see games like Skyward Sword listed because the critical consensus was that it was a well-crafted game, even if there were a few downsides. My intent was that people pick games where the general consensus among critics was that the game was inconsistent, flawed, or just plain bad, yet were enjoyed regardless.

Also, someone mentioned Zombi U as one of the games. I haven't really thought of that one until now, but it definitely fits. I really enjoyed the game despite some of the obvious flaws (repetitive melee, meh graphics), and a lot of critics seemed to really give it a thrashing. (including a certain website who decided to review the game as if it were a FPS, not a survival horror game *cough* GameSpot *cough)