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Forums - Sony - SONY FY14 Q2: Results $1.2bn loss. 3.3m ps4 shipped.

kowenicki said:
JayWood2010 said:
The pictures for me are broken on the front page. Anybody else?

is nothing showing?  thats odd I always just drop without a problem usually.

Just so you know, I can see pictures with no problem... PC/Firefox



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kowenicki said:
binary solo said:
kowenicki said:
Overall these results arent that bad for a financial perspective.

At least they aren't losing in the majority of sectors now. Profits are still hard to come by though in pretty much all sectors other than the usual devices and financials.

Playstation is a bit of a concern. Shipment numbers are obvioulsy big but profits are modest really
.

The big problem is of course Mobile. The numbers arent good and the losses are insane. Kaz has a peoblme here as he pretty much put his repuatation on the line with mobile. If it fails, he will be gone.

Woudn't that be pretty expected less than a year into the new generation? Margins on the hardware are going to be tight, so profitability from just selling consoles won't really give good margins until year 2 or even 3. Game has made about a 6% return, translate that into profit margin for a PS4 sale (without a game or PSN+ subscription) in the USA and that's a $24 profit per console. I don't think Sony's getting that kind of margin on each console just yet, and factor in bundling of a game and still keeping that $399 price the margin is pretty much gone, so the profits are coming from elsewhere. Eventually Sony should be able to achieve a reasonable margin per PS4 and that will give Game a good return relative to other divisions.

So the MC division is taking a large write down, which means the loss is not as awful as it looks?

yes.  but it is still a major concern if it continues.  easily solved, drop mobiles.

Can Playstation realistically survive as the only consumer electronics device in Sony's stable? PS4, sure, but after that?



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Does Sony still sell and make the PSP? or is this all Vita?



 

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kowenicki said:
Ninsect said:

Btw where can we see the net loss number? I see operating income = -$760m (~85B yen)


post 1. net income -124bn yen

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binary solo said:

Can Playstation realistically survive as the only consumer electronics device in Sony's stable? PS4, sure, but after that?

It will.  Most of the world wont be ready to stream games for a couple decades, PS5 and 6 will exist.

While everywhere you will need a controller and add ons for your gaming.  Vr glasses and stuff.  

 



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kowenicki said:
NiKKoM said:
kowenicki said:
Smartphones cut again to 41m from the 43m and previous 50m.

suprised that they cut it with just 2 million.. with the rate that the chinese smartphone makers are on the rise it still optimistic from Sony. Great specs, good design and most importantly affordable prices.. they can't compete with that .. At least they replaced their mobile chief..


They should have sacked him not just move him to another division....

Additionally there is the problem of the Android phone market being completely saturated as well as being completely dominated by Samsung at the mid to high end.



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kowenicki said:
NiKKoM said:
Does Sony still sell and make the PSP? or is this all Vita?


vita, vita tv (japan) and playstation tv (elsewhere) presumably.  pretty bad, given it will include initial shipments for pstv globally.

I don't think anybody honestly expects PSTV to do well.

And EU gets it mid November, so those are probably not shipped yet (not that it would boost the number by much...)



kowenicki said:
Ninsect said:
kowenicki said:
Ninsect said:

Btw where can we see the net loss number? I see operating income = -$760m (~85B yen)


post 1. net income -124bn yen

Alright. For some reason the pic doesn't work for me

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kowenicki said:
Ninsect said:
Phones really dragged Sony down this quarter. Gaming is now their most important segment if we go by revenue


Wrong word. It isnt the most important.  Its the highest and ....mobiles is the second, which proves the saying "revenue is vanity, profit is sanity and cash is king".

The most important revenue is the most profitable revenue.

Gaming is 4th.

If Gaming vanished tomorrow it wouldnt be a biggie actually.  if Financials disappeared tomorrow... so would Sony.

Launch years are normally the least profitable so that bodes well for the future profits playstation will bring. Its a shame PSV and TV aren't pulling their weight.



3sexty said:
kowenicki said:
NiKKoM said:
kowenicki said:
Smartphones cut again to 41m from the 43m and previous 50m.

suprised that they cut it with just 2 million.. with the rate that the chinese smartphone makers are on the rise it still optimistic from Sony. Great specs, good design and most importantly affordable prices.. they can't compete with that .. At least they replaced their mobile chief..


They should have sacked him not just move him to another division....

Additionally there is the problem of the Android phone market being completely saturated as well as being completely dominated by Samsung.

I wouldn't say that. >48% of the smartphone market is outside of the top 5 companies (Samsung, Apple, Huawei, LG, Xiaomi). Samsung is dominant no doubt, but the Android market is not completely dominated by them.



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