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Soundwave on 18 October 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
Soundwave said:
The second half of Mario 3D World is basically Mario Galaxy 3. It even has quite a few space themed levels.

I think people take the title as throwing them too literally ... EAD Tokyo should've just called it Super Mario Kingdom or something. It has as much in common with the Galaxy games as it does with 3D Land.

Super Mario Sunshine is really the odd ball of the 3D Mario games.

And blaming the Wii U's suck on Mario 3D World is really unfair ... the system was a lost cause conceptually, Nintendo was so out of touch when making this system, that pinning it on one game (that was one of the best games Nintendo's ever made) is silly.

Mario Kart 8 is a great game and it's failed to keep the Wii U even selling above 100k a month in the US (not even GameCube level). Why not blame MK8 while you're at it?

So... even if that's true... why wasn't the first half that good then?


The first half is designed primarily for kids/family play. I don't know if you remember being a kid, but you might recall that being a pretty key demo for the Mario games. It's not like the first half isn't good, it's just the game ratchets up to "god tier" game design/orchestrated music/level design/post game surprises/challenge up the wazoo in the second half. 

It's more akin to a great athlete who plays pretty good in the first half, gets the sweat going, and then totally takes over and dominates everyone else in the second half and show's why he's the motherf**king king. 



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HyrulianScrolls on 18 October 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
Soundwave said:

The first half is designed primarily for kids/family play. I don't know if you remember being a kid, but you might recall that being a pretty key demo for the Mario games. It's not like the first half isn't good, it's just the game ratchets up to "god tier" game design/orchestrated music/level design/post game surprises/challenge up the wazoo in the second half. 

It's more akin to a great athlete who plays pretty good in the first half, gets the sweat going, and then totally takes over and dominates everyone else in the second half and show's why he's the motherf**king king. 

That still doesn't really make sense for me. I tried a bit of the first half, it was alright but nothing special, so I traded it in. I don't see the point of slogging through the rubbish stuff just in case it gets better later on. A good game should have a good beginning as well as a good ending.

If you didn't enjoy any of the early levels you're clearly not a platformer fan and why are you playing Mario in the first place?



Soundwave on 18 October 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
Soundwave said:

The first half is designed primarily for kids/family play. I don't know if you remember being a kid, but you might recall that being a pretty key demo for the Mario games. It's not like the first half isn't good, it's just the game ratchets up to "god tier" game design/orchestrated music/level design/post game surprises/challenge up the wazoo in the second half. 

It's more akin to a great athlete who plays pretty good in the first half, gets the sweat going, and then totally takes over and dominates everyone else in the second half and show's why he's the motherf**king king. 

That still doesn't really make sense for me. I tried a bit of the first half, it was alright but nothing special, so I traded it in. I don't see the point of slogging through the rubbish stuff just in case it gets better later on. A good game should have a good beginning as well as a good ending.



Wah wah, your loss. Mario Sunshine is the opposite, a game that gets crappier during the second half as it becomes obvious it was rushed to market and has tons of bugs all over the place. 

I think I like the second half of Mario 3D World better than Galaxy 2 to be honest. Galaxy 2 has some crazy ideas but starts to not feel like a Mario game at times, 3D World feels so much like a love letter to the 2D and 3D Mario heritage from touches like the tanooki power up to SMB2 throw backs, etc. etc.

It doesn't hurt that it's the most gorgeous looking Mario game either and does multiplayer better than the NSMB series. And that f**king final world ... it's a Mariogasm, lol.  This is a game I wish I could put in a time machine and show my 11 year old self, because it's like a dream Mario game. 

EAD Tokyo ... god tier developer. End of discussion. 



toot1231 on 18 October 2014

3D world is better than galaxy and waaay better than sunshine



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kekrot on 18 October 2014

3D World is an okay game in my opinion, and for what it tried to accomplish, it's a great game. I'll admit that I'm in the SM64/Galaxy camp though.

Nintendo said not too long ago that they already are hard at work on a new 3D Mario, but they wouldn't say if it was for Wii U or 3DS. They might as well make a 3D Land followup for all we know, since the 3DS is selling.



Yep.

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Metallox on 18 October 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
Metallox said:


No. Hyrule Warriors is garbage, 3D World isn't. In fact, that's how Mario should be, focusing exclusively on straight platforming, nothing like the puzzles and exploration of 64 and Galaxy, no please. Just add more difficult levels for the whores, and that's it. Mario should stay in this form, but of course, the 95% of the fans would think another thing.

Mario should be linear, a level-based platformer; Zelda should be the game with the open world, puzzles, exploration and that stuff, like in the 80's. 

Wait... are you saying you hated Mario 64 and Galaxy?

Nope. Galaxy is definitely one of my favorite Mario games, but I prefer them when they just focus on what I mentioned, good damn platforming, like Super Mario Bros. 3 and World did. This 3D World brings surperbly, finally, the 2D feeling to the 3D environment. 



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ishiki on 18 October 2014

I like 3D world a lot more than either galaxy or sunshine, not as much as 64.

But I don't like sphereoids and/or star bits, and just didn't enjoy sunshine all that much.



NightDragon83 on 18 October 2014

So far, yes. NSMBU / 3D World were both meh. We need Galaxy 3, or even better, Super Mario 64-2.



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HyrulianScrolls on 18 October 2014

I can kind of understand the people who prefer the 64/Sunshine approach to 3D platforming not loving 3D World. But those who loved the Galaxy games and don't like 3D World makes zero sense. 3D World is in the same mold as those and was very much the next step in that kind of platforming.



Soundwave on 18 October 2014

The last thing the Wii U needs is another Mario platformer, lol.

If anything really, it would have been far more ideal last holiday to have Mario Kart 8 and Mario 3D World for this summer. NSMBU + NSLU already filled the Mario platforming gap.

That said nothing was saving the Wii U ... it's just a flawed concept from the get go.