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kowenicki said:
1.Mobile
2.Mobile
3.Mobile

Stop denying it. Dedicated handhelds are turning into a very niche novelty item.


At least there are some things we can agree with

Sony shouldn't have made the Vita, instead they should've gotten the 1st/2nd parties that developped games for it to develop for PS3/4.



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the-pi-guy said:
1 - agreed.
2 - Don't agree at all
3 - agreed.
4- Marketing
5 - Memory cards are very over priced.


5. Should not even exist at all! It is a fuckin handheld system. It has cartridges.

The savegames should go to the internal flash or to the games. Having a memory card is the dumbest move sony made in years. Even my NES can save the progress on the games itself ROFL.



The real reasons are:

1. Mobile
2. Monster Hunter
3. It doesn't matter because the PS4 is doing fine. Fuck you Vita.



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darkknightkryta said:
ExplodingBlock said:
darkknightkryta said:
I got the answer that no one wants to admit, I got the answer that every says isn't true: mobile.

3DS sales this past quarter?
820,000

PSP/Vita sales this past quarter?
750,000 (Considering PSP stopped production, I don't think many of those are PSPs).

So if the 3DS is selling super amazing, so's the Vita. The Vita isn't, thus the 3DS isn't. Which means the dedicated handheld market isn't selling well. Does the 3DS have "no gaemz"? No, it does, just like the Vita. They both have a very fantastic library. Is the Vita less appealing as hardware? God no. That's just horse shit. Comparing the two hardware vs hardware, Vita wins hands down (Two analogue sticks over 3D any day plus the extra processing power). So what is the problem? cellphones. I have no idea why everyone denies this.


Where did you get those Vita numbers???? 

3DS sells average 100k a week and Vita sells around 30k, Vita numbers are no where near close

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2014/07/31/sony-romped-to-3-5-million-playstation-home-console-sales-last-quarter/

Which was talked about from Sony's financial statements.  I recall the numbers when they were both statements were released before but no one seemed to want to talk about them.  Which brings the other elephant in the room no one wants to talk about here, the 3DS is way overtracked recently.

Even if those numbers are correct (which I have my doubts about them) 3DS has a larger userbase than Vita, meaning 3DS at some point did sell well and vita never got those numbers. 3ds may be selling like crap now, but unlike Vita It had a moment when it didn't.

Vita is -sadly- a failure. And sony did nothing to turn things around



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Vita has more games though



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MRKs said:
darkknightkryta said:
ExplodingBlock said:
darkknightkryta said:
I got the answer that no one wants to admit, I got the answer that every says isn't true: mobile.

3DS sales this past quarter?
820,000

PSP/Vita sales this past quarter?
750,000 (Considering PSP stopped production, I don't think many of those are PSPs).

So if the 3DS is selling super amazing, so's the Vita. The Vita isn't, thus the 3DS isn't. Which means the dedicated handheld market isn't selling well. Does the 3DS have "no gaemz"? No, it does, just like the Vita. They both have a very fantastic library. Is the Vita less appealing as hardware? God no. That's just horse shit. Comparing the two hardware vs hardware, Vita wins hands down (Two analogue sticks over 3D any day plus the extra processing power). So what is the problem? cellphones. I have no idea why everyone denies this.


Where did you get those Vita numbers???? 

3DS sells average 100k a week and Vita sells around 30k, Vita numbers are no where near close

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2014/07/31/sony-romped-to-3-5-million-playstation-home-console-sales-last-quarter/

Which was talked about from Sony's financial statements.  I recall the numbers when they were both statements were released before but no one seemed to want to talk about them.  Which brings the other elephant in the room no one wants to talk about here, the 3DS is way overtracked recently.

Even if those numbers are correct (which I have my doubts about them) 3DS has a larger userbase than Vita, meaning 3DS at some point did sell well and vita never got those numbers. 3ds may be selling like crap now, but unlike Vita It had a moment when it didn't.

Vita is -sadly- a failure. And sony did nothing to turn things around

I think the new 3DS will change that around, especially in Japan. It sold 230,000 in it's first couple of days in JAPAN



1.  Most Games you can get on PS360 which are usually better.

2.  Lacks support from First party.  Sony bacically sent this thing out to die when they barely support it.  Give it some compelling software and im sure it would do great.  They have a few like LBP, Tearaway, and Gravity Rush but there hast been any big must have games.  Dont push out mediocre games like Killzone and Resistance Burning Skies and say that is support.  People arent going to buy it when they arent putting quality games on it

3.  Lacks third party support which can be contributed to the lack of first party support.  Monster Hunters is desperately needed.

RIght now its main support has been japanese games but even then it hasnt been getting a ton of support.  It is getting Tales next month but it needs some other games too.  Id recommend sony making something like Legends of Dragoon or Demon's Souls 2 for PSV to help it.  Its a great console and i love it personally.  I want more games for it but really it is up to sony to support it, then third parties will follow.  There needs to be a healthy install base for devs to support it and when sony barely even acknowledges it, why would third parties do so.




       

how about the price of those memory cards? those things alone are a major drawback.



ExplodingBlock said:
MRKs said:

Even if those numbers are correct (which I have my doubts about them) 3DS has a larger userbase than Vita, meaning 3DS at some point did sell well and vita never got those numbers. 3ds may be selling like crap now, but unlike Vita It had a moment when it didn't.

Vita is -sadly- a failure. And sony did nothing to turn things around

I think the new 3DS will change that around, especially in Japan. It sold 230,000 in it's first couple of days in JAPAN

MRKs the numbers came from both Sony and Nintendo's financial statements.  You seriously think Sony's lying about how many consoles they shipped?  Hell not even Microsoft lied about their shipping numbers after stating they sold more than they shipped (Seriously Mattrick, what kind of an idiot are you to say that at E3?) there's a lot of things to consider.  3DS sold well at the beginning due to a price cut and the different mobile climate.  The Vita came out a year later with a lot of misconceptions.  Misconceptions on the gamer side, and Sony's side.  Sony thought that there was a fanbase with people who buy tablets, etc.  Gamers STILL think the Vita has no games, despite having as much if not more higher rated titles, plus having a higher volume of titles.  These misconceptions are why the Vita hasn't had a great selling period like the 3DS.  Though, let's look at the now though.  The market changed.  3DS won't reach the GBA numbers, nor will they reach the PSP numbers.  Why not?  Because the handheld market changed.  It started changing at the Vita's launch and everything has taken effect a year or so ago.  As far as Sony did nothing to turn it around?  That's a bunch of horse shit.  Think getting Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed and Borderlands on the Vita was cheap?  They ported very well received PS2 games there.  PS3 Cross play titles.  They created titles from the ground up, titles which were more costly than the rehashes Nintendo threw together for the 3DS.  Hell higher selling 3DS titles were nothing but sequels (The rehashes). Vita had pretty good early marketing as well.  I wouldn't be surprised if Sony thew half a billion dollars at the Vita to see nothing back from it. Why should Sony pump half a billion more into the thing?.  I'll also be so bold to say that Sony put more into the Vita than Nintendo put into the 3DS.  

ExplodingBlock, look at that bolded very carefully.  Japan would also have bought 230,000 updated Vitas if Sony would want to invest money into one (As mentioned above, would be wasted money).  Besides Japan is the only hold out for handheld gaming.  3DS and Vita numbers outside Japan are atrocious and this new handheld won't change that.    



At least for me, Smartphones are the reason why Vita fails. I did buy a Vita at launch and loved it. But I more and more lost interest in it and ultimately, when Smartphones became even more powerful than Vita, I didn't see the point in carrying the Vita around. I really don't use it anymore, not even for Remote Play or something. There just isn't a need anymore for dedicated handhelds imo. You can play basically anything even on cheap phones today. Sure, the controls aren't quite comparable, but after some getting used to it, you'll be fine. I did play through the whole of GTA San Andreas with touch controls and did enjoy it quite a bit. So if the controls are well made, it's not that great of a problem.

Sure, that's my personal opinion and it might not be true for the whole market. But I think there are at least some people who are in the same boat as me. What would help however would be a new, sleek Vita with phone features. I mean, they already had a 3G model, all they need is a telephone app, maybe support for Android apps if they can manage that. The control pad could just slide out like with the PSP Go or the Xperia Play. I would totally buy such a device as a replacement for my iPhone. But a stand-alone Vita? No, thanks.



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