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Vena said:
st0pnsw0p said:

But they don't pay to have those games on their console. That's completely free.


They buy content, content that is console or timed-exclusive. That's not free, and is very much part of marketting.

Irrelevant, the games it's free to come ,  they even have to pay for the licence (SDK, Engine, tools etc) to come to both console, exclusive or non exclusive content is part of the games. even if the games is not comming with exclusives content, it will comes and updated latter on as free bonuses. Discusing about exclusive content is not part of topic we talking about the reason why 3rd party are not on Nintendo system.

Actually they come to Nintendo but not the primary titles, some one should make another thread  " Why there is no primary 3rd party titles on Nintendo Wii u "



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chapset said:
They don't sell enough to warrant the port

This!!!



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Bottom line, people aren't buying the Wii U because they want to play 3rd party games.

Even when the Wii U was getting those games, nobody was buying them. Granted the ports were inferior or lacked DLC, but better ports wasn't going to have much impact. 3rd party games sold better on the original Wii and those vastly inferior.

People interested in that will continue to buy PS4, X1, or even PS3 and 360 for a few more years.


Yep. By the time Nintnendo even remotely gave a damn about third party it was alreadt too late. They watched all the money Sony and MS were making last gen off of third party and decided to play ball. I remember about reading that when the Nintendo revealed their third party partners at E3 2012. Nintendo never listened to third parties requests a year earlier for all consoles to be of a specific spec type so the next generation of games could be put on it. Obviously they had no listened. Nintendo's internal disagreements and squabbles with third parties is the reason for their downfall with third party. The hubris level is insane especially for such a talented company.


Lol,..im pretty sure that they were more focused on how successful albeit accidentally the wii was as opposed to what sony and ms were doing. I mean the man even says as much in the interview i posted....



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Puggsly said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Bottom line, people aren't buying the Wii U because they want to play 3rd party games.

Even when the Wii U was getting those games, nobody was buying them. Granted the ports were inferior or lacked DLC, but better ports wasn't going to have much impact. 3rd party games sold better on the original Wii and those vastly inferior.

People interested in that will continue to buy PS4, X1, or even PS3 and 360 for a few more years.


Yep. By the time Nintnendo even remotely gave a damn about third party it was alreadt too late. They watched all the money Sony and MS were making last gen off of third party and decided to play ball. I remember about reading that when the Nintendo revealed their third party partners at E3 2012. Nintendo never listened to third parties requests a year earlier for all consoles to be of a specific spec type so the next generation of games could be put on it. Obviously they had no listened. Nintendo's internal disagreements and squabbles with third parties is the reason for their downfall with third party. The hubris level is insane especially for such a talented company.

Even if Nintendo was more accomodating to 3rd parties, they weren't going to get the core audience. That ship sailed with the Wii.

Why would core gamers buy another Nintendo console for those types of games? They already learned their lesson with the Wii.

While Wii U was getting some core games, it was still getting passed on for some noteworthy games like GTAV, BFIV, Destiny, sports games, etc.  So it makes more sense to get a 7th gen console over a Wii U unless you REALLY want Nintendo games.


The multiplat gamers Nintendo had fled after the SNES era when devs cited the superiority of CD's and Nintendo's reverting back to the cartridge as a reason to support Sony. For four generations gamers who wanted just a bit more out of Nintendo outside of exclusives were conditioned to go outside for their gaming. The CD was Nintendos reason for bringing Sony into the gaming industry (well not Sony's but the went behind Sony's back and used the services of Yamuchi). After that they did business with Panasonic when they went and did business with SOny.

The Wii U in terms of power was a joke to most third party devs. Again...Nintendo made the device to serve their own ends and forced third party to make exclusives if they wanted to profit and make a game enjoyable enough for the console. Most of the gamers were cheaply made because third party (generally westerners) saw the W

Im sure they fled the genesis more than the snes but ok...

 

But yeah sony took a hge install base mainly because they provided a less stringant barrier of entry for developers. They also sweeten the pot for publishers with the cheaper alternative of cd.

Here is the thing though. That was almost twenty years ago. Nintendo then id completely ifferent now. 

 

Publishers are asking for more and more control and hegemony and that asking price is too high for nintendo. Plain and simple. Look at ea access. Look at ubisofts comments about this. Its pretty obvious that they are askng for a larger piece of the pie. 

We ar suffering because of it yes. But that is the indistry we have a hobby in.



Multishanks said:


Lol,..im pretty sure that they were more focused on how successful albeit accidentally the wii was as opposed to what sony and ms were doing. I mean the man even says as much in the interview i posted....


 No. Drop the hubris....Nintendo expressed regret in not being able to profit off of the high budget AAA third party titles despite winning the gen. They decided to play ball with the Wii U in 2012 but it was too late. You cannot force third party to work with you only on your own terms. Thats how Nintendo works. Next gen is next gen and Nintendo did not care.



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1. The hardware is essentially an entire generation behind.
2. The third-party games generally don't sell well to what is ultimately an audience of two bases: Casuals and Nintendo-only players.
3. Nintendo's third-party relations are weak, and factors #1 and #2 would make good third-party relations mostly pointless anyway.
4. They definitely do have multiple cases of paying third-parties for games, such as Monster Hunter. Furthermore, they have a history of hiring second-parties, and that trend is actually increasing nowadays.



Zackasaurus-rex said:

1. The hardware is essentially an entire generation behind.
2. The third-party games generally don't sell well to what is ultimately an audience of two bases: Casuals and Nintendo-only players
3. Nintendo's third-party relations are weak, and factors #1 and #2 would make good third-party relations mostly pointless anyway.
4. They definitely do have multiple cases of paying third-parties for games, such as Monster Hunter. Furthermore, they have a history of hiring second-parties, and that trend is actually increasing nowadays.


Exactly. Nintendo will pay for third party help, but they will not outbid Sony and Microsoft. LOL Its pathetic that they even act like they're above it.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Zackasaurus-rex said:

1. The hardware is essentially an entire generation behind.
2. The third-party games generally don't sell well to what is ultimately an audience of two bases: Casuals and Nintendo-only players
3. Nintendo's third-party relations are weak, and factors #1 and #2 would make good third-party relations mostly pointless anyway.
4. They definitely do have multiple cases of paying third-parties for games, such as Monster Hunter. Furthermore, they have a history of hiring second-parties, and that trend is actually increasing nowadays.


Exactly. Nintendo will pay for third party help, but they will not outbid Sony and Microsoft. LOL Its pathetic that they even act like they're above it.


I dont.....what?

 

They don't think they are above it they just understand that it is ultimately pointless. Something that a lot of people fail to understand. 



Multishanks said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Exactly. Nintendo will pay for third party help, but they will not outbid Sony and Microsoft. LOL Its pathetic that they even act like they're above it.


I dont.....what?

 

They don't think they are above it they just understand that it is ultimately pointless. Something that a lot of people fail to understand. 


When it was just them and Sega...lol....lets just say life wasn't easy for them either. Its funny how life works.



Multishanks said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


I dont.....what?

 

They don't think they are above it they just understand that it is ultimately pointless. Something that a lot of people fail to understand. 

 

Heh, people are still unaware of how rich Nintendo is. I remember an old interview where a Nintendo exec responding to a question about Microsoft's original Xbox said they could have easily made a 3 billion dollar loss making console and it would not have dented them. Funny thing is that is interview was before the money printing Wii was released.