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Ka-pi96 said:
IamAwsome said:
spurgeonryan said:
Theh cannot even pay for a few big ones like CoD and GTA? Makes no sense.

They paid for Monster Hunter. That's a start.

Exactly! They even paid for that as an exclusive, so getting multiplats should really be much easier. Probably be easiest to get some from other Japanese publishers first, such as Resident Evil or Final Fantasy, those types of games.

I seriously don't think they should pay to get games that Sony/MS get for free. If they want multiplats then they will just need to ride the Wii U out and start from scratch again on their next console. 



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oniyide said:
Deeds said:

After all these years and people still dont know what Nintendo is as an enity? Why am I not shocked? As Perrin Kaplan said years ago during the Gamecube era, Nintendo is "not" a tech company, they are an entertainment company. They make hardware to have 100% contol of the development tool chain, 100% control over innovation (Wii Mote) and to create new revenue streams like Amiibo, N3DS faceplates, etc. Third party devs are not a key part of the equation.


then nobody should complain when they dont get 3rd party games

Exactly. But people should also not complain when Nintendo gets a third party exclusive.



What a load of crap!



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RolStoppable said:
archer9234 said:

People lie in front of the camera/articles all the time. Some can be genuine. But others is just to protect their image to consumers. And to make themselves bigger. If Ubisoft did say what they should say about Nintendo. Than Nintendo fans that do own both consoles will get pissed and boycot. Small numbers. But it's a profit line and image. So it's better to be neutral above all things. It's like Reggie totally agrees with Iwata's way. He has to show a public image. But I will not buy it for a second he likes everything Japan decides on, while he's sitting in his office alone.

Your example doesn't work, because Reggie works for Nintendo while third parties do not. Nevermind that an unhappy third party could just refrain from saying anything in public. I mean, what's the point of faking a positive impression of an upcoming console in front of a camera when you have no real plans to make games for it anyway?

I throw out logic when it comes to gamers emotions that companies have to deal with.



RolStoppable said:
Nintendo paying off big third party publishers would only make Nintendo's bottom line worse than it currently is. Nevermind the implications for the future, because once Nintendo starts with paying off third parties for ports, there will be no going back.

If Nintendo were really handling third party relationships so badly as it is usually portrayed, then third parties should have the dignity to not go in front of a camera to praise an upcoming Nintendo console they do not plan to support or announce games that will never go into production. If third parties truly aren't happy, then they shouldn't pretend that they are. After all, you can't save a problem if you act like there is none. The reality is that there isn't much of a problem from Nintendo's side, because indie developers have repeatedly gone on record to say that Nintendo has been forthcoming. The actual problem is that the big third party publishers feel entitled to get paid off by Nintendo.

Consider that third party games do sell on the 3DS as well as previous Nintendo handhelds. It's the same console manufacturer who acts the same way for both their home consoles and handhelds in any given generation, so common sense suggests that third parties are the ones that make the difference.

THIS IS THE TRUTH!!

TL'DR If third parties aren't satusfied, why would they lead Nintendo (and fans) into a false sense of security by saying they are? EA is the biggest culprit of this with the "unprecedented partnership" BS. A couple of people did the same thing on the 3DS. If there is a problem, and apparently there was with the Wii U, then 3rd parties need to be upfront about this. 



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Deeds said:
oniyide said:
Deeds said:

After all these years and people still dont know what Nintendo is as an enity? Why am I not shocked? As Perrin Kaplan said years ago during the Gamecube era, Nintendo is "not" a tech company, they are an entertainment company. They make hardware to have 100% contol of the development tool chain, 100% control over innovation (Wii Mote) and to create new revenue streams like Amiibo, N3DS faceplates, etc. Third party devs are not a key part of the equation.


then nobody should complain when they dont get 3rd party games

Exactly. But people should also not complain when Nintendo gets a third party exclusive.

there are way more people complaining about Nintendo not getting 3rd party games than Ninty getting 3rd party exclusive. Lets be honest. hell this thread is just a large collection of complaints.



Building a sustained relationship with developers and publishers is impossible if you're unwilling to compromise and adapt; you cannot expect the majority of developers to customize their efforts around a minority that refuses to adapt to market movements. Nintendo and Apple are the foremost "create your own demand" companies in consumer eletcronics and both are adept at streamlining their products for the market; the problem is that Nintendo are hopeless at reading and responding to the Western markets, which make up the majority of the global revenue in the traditional segment of the gaming industry and this happens to be where the major powers of modern game development and publishing are seated and concentrated. Apple, on the other hand, are masters at reading the Western markets, as evidenced by their marketshare there compared to the other markets (trust me on this; I really, really dislike Apple but their grip and hold on the Western markets is simply undeniable).

Sony had also had some duds; Betamax, UMD, Mini-disc and so on but they have also adapted to markets remarkably well and managed to tap also into lasting trends rather than only fleeting ones (DVD, Blu-ray, Walkman, CD's etc) and are willing to compromise in order to meet the end user and distributors. MS have also shown a great degree of flexibility and snap decision-making in many ways; they were pretty quick to drop the Kinect and they did one hell of a job securing 3rd party support in the beginning of the 360's life.

Nintendo may very well be sunk in the end by their narrow scope of ambition and their slavic adherence to tradition; they need to accept that in today's market it takes a lot more to rule than it ever has and they have to learn how to adapt to the market rather than insisting that the market adapt to them. The sheer fact that a concept like the Gamepad was green-lighted in the modern market shows how out of touch they are with the global movements in the consumer electronics market; their incredibly late arrival to the online scene is another telltale sign. They can keep trying like they have and hope to win the lottery and create another Wii phenomenon or they can rearrange their entire premise of consoles and gaming and try to carve out a position they can keep and get some much needed and stable nourishment from. I'm not so sure that their Fusion project is anything of the sort; if anything, it sounds like an ever bigger attempt at forced market convergence, one that could very well fail entirely in today's hostile and fast-paced market. It's insane to think that the same company that gave us the incredible and simultaneous success of the Wii and DS are the same that gave us the massive mistake that is the Wii U; this shows beyond a shadow of a dobut that the market has outrun them and their heads are still spinning. Nintendo and Iwata know what they're doing, you say? No, they haven't got a clue, especially in the West. The first step to major improvement must be to realise that it is required; let's hope they have that epiphany before it's too late.

Nintendo are clearly good cooks but they need to start focusing on selling wholesome meals to a stable customer base rather than attempting to wow with great risks at every turn and blending such odd tastes and colors (Gamepad); some new recipes wouldn't hurt either (incredible reluctance to develop any bigger budget franchises outside of the 30 year old one's).

PS: Iwata should not delve into the subject of price wars when he fronted the launch of a console that was forced to slash the retail price by about 30% in its first year in order to start moving...

PSPS: Nintendo will never move on if they listen to their retinue of appologists who always insist that the fault lies with the 3rd parties and needs fixing on that end.



Ka-pi96 said:
amak11 said:


But you said, MS and Sony don't have to pay. This isn't true at all. The implication is that Sony and MS made a deal or paid Rockstar for the right to have the game on their console. The PS4 and One versions just solidify this fact. You have no clear idea how the game industry works. These kind of deals go down all the time, don't be ignorant to that. 

Wow, you actually believe that Sony and Microsoft pay for multiplat games don't you?


Wow, you actually believe they dont. Christ man, grow up and see the truth for what it is. We all accept it as it is, why the fuck question it? 



Ka-pi96 said:
From some of the responses in this thread it would seem Nintendo fans don't even want 3rd party multiplat games anyway.

It's not that they dont want them, its just that Nintendo fans are either apathetic to third party games or consider most third party games a low priority. Considering how low most [multiplatform] third party games sell particularly on Wii U, its strange that these threads keep popping up.



oniyide said:
Deeds said:
oniyide said:
Deeds said:

After all these years and people still dont know what Nintendo is as an enity? Why am I not shocked? As Perrin Kaplan said years ago during the Gamecube era, Nintendo is "not" a tech company, they are an entertainment company. They make hardware to have 100% contol of the development tool chain, 100% control over innovation (Wii Mote) and to create new revenue streams like Amiibo, N3DS faceplates, etc. Third party devs are not a key part of the equation.


then nobody should complain when they dont get 3rd party games

Exactly. But people should also not complain when Nintendo gets a third party exclusive.

there are way more people complaining about Nintendo not getting 3rd party games than Ninty getting 3rd party exclusive. Lets be honest. hell this thread is just a large collection of complaints.

The point is, people complaining about "X" multiplatform game not coming to Wii U are just as stupid as people complaining about "Y" third party game being exclusive to Wii U. More exclusive third party games are coming to Nintendo platforms in the future and more third party games will miss Nintendo platforms entirely. This has been going on since 1995.