hmm thats how they calculate?

but the royalties are not only for sony. its a consortium. so sony has to pay its "blu ray partners"

but yeah. in that case it would make sense that ms has higher costs  for theire blu ray player

look at the second link thats not retail ram modules.

thats nearly the same modules ms is using (4gb 256mb). but its hard to find the exact same ones.

http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/RkWPgfeRsJdBcOcx.jpg

its TEC (336V) on the xbox one

looks custom to me

i only found H9C and PBC ones for sale...

http://www.skhynix.com/products/computing/view.jsp?info.ramKind=19&info.serialNo=H5TQ4G63AFR

p.s im curious, if ms can switch to higher density ddr4 ram and less chips in the future.

not sure if that would be possible and more cost efficent

no thats wrong. esram is on die ram

its in the cpu / gpu costs

otherwise it would make no sense

sully1311 Because they may not after this price cut. MS will be marketing the **** out of the X1 starting this week for FIFA, then SO + H2 and then COD, AC and HMCC. All those adverts are going to state the price. Parents will see the X1 cheaper + the marketing. It's going to have an effect.


price difference isnt massive and ps4 will do marketing also.. not to mention,kids usually tell parents what they want,, the amount of parents that go out and blindly buy a expensive gift/investment without knowing for sure if thats the exact one the kid actually want has gotta be a very very short list

Sooooo this cheaper SKU is still worse than the bundles that they have out now and will have in the future.
I don't get why anybody would jump on this sort of deal when the best deals have the bundled games. I mean seriously...
I think there is a game bundle for pretty much any game that you want. Am I missing something here?

From what I know everybody on consortium can use Blu-ray in their productcs without any costs... everybody else needs to pay... even if I'm wrong the fact that MS pays more royalties than Sony holds true.

From teardown MS uses this memory in the first batch of Xbones:

16x SK Hynix H5TQ4G63AFR 4 Gb (512 MB) DDR3 SDRAM (total of 16 x 512 MB = 8 GB)

It is not avaiable to retail market... so it is hard to compare... and there is a addiction memory in the board too:

SK Hynix H26M42003GMR 8 GB eMMC NAND Flash

I don't know if they are adding that in the costs.

About the use of more density memory and cheaper I don't think it will be possible without change all the PCB because right now they have a 256bits buss splited in 16 parts of 16bits... so they needs 16 modules of RAM... with 8 modules they will use only 128bits of the bus... unless they change to 32bits per module that is a big change.

That is why Sony change from 4GB to 8GB was so easy... they have the same 256bits splited in 16bits per module... so they are using 2Gbits modules in each in total of 4GB... they just changed the memory module from 2Gbits to 4Gbits without need to change anything in the PCB... more density, cheaper and reached 8GB.

For example:

8GB (16x 512) to 16GB (16x1GB) is more easy to MS than change the PCB from 16bits per module to 32bits per module.

thanks for that information. dindt know that...

and yeah. they only way ms could to that would be ddr4 ram. no way right now without to much to change.

but ddr4 is still expensive and rare. and will be for a long time.  so imho  the thrid big revision would be the frist possibility (2016/17 maybe).

and what i heard about sony is, that it would be easy to change to 8 gbits chips for later revision

but im not realy that deep into this stuff. to clarify or denie anything by knowledge

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I can't respond to the comments about insecurity because its spot on.

When I say relevant I mean a platform made by Xbox, is being sold by Microsoft, and getting support from Microsoft.

I used Vita merely as an example to distract from the fact that price cuts aren't helping my consoles of choice my choice,  because when Sony completely rebrands a console and dedicate 1/2 of their tradeshow to the it, its not supporting it properly, but when Microsoft does nearly the same thing with a little bit less effort and more money because they have it in spades, then its proper support. 

Seriously, you are making this too easy. Resorting to childishly editing my points and still trying to provide some kind of false pretense of a rational argument?

Puhlease, this is the second time in a row this week I've seen you mention the Vita when someone said something "bad" about the one and you want to say oh its an example. There are plently of examples that you could choose from, OG Xbox, GC, DC, PS3, Wii U, Ouya, 64, Wonder Swan, the friggen Zune, you expect anyone to beleive you singled out the vita as just an example? ESPECIALLY, when 5 of those are handheld consoles, and the Wii U is current gen as well?

You should just start over, you're intial reply to me was bad, but this self-defense of yours makes Tommy Wiseau look like Stanely Kubric.

I think xbox one is doing well in terms of sells if you compare it to the xbox 360. 360 sold 6 million in it's first year and it looks like xbox one will hit 8.5 million at least.

?

Xbox 360 shipped 10.4 million in it first year... VGC have it undertracked in the first years I don't why.

Actually the worst route would be if it got dreamcasted after its fails this xmas in wake of a massive PS4 sales. 

Its pretty clear to most X1 will never develop a huge audience, its hard to do that when you getiing beat in every market and in some up to 6-1 ratios.  To be remembred as a great platform ill need much more from MS then their milking of a few key franchises and swift drop of software support.  

By the way you are one hell of a broken record, every thread but but but vita but wehhh.  Is the x1 such a failure your only counter always is but but but vita.