First of all, I think it is important to look at time differently when discussing the origin of our universe. There is nothing saying time as a dimension even existed before the big bang, and therefore there would never be a "before" Big Bang. This is ofcourse only theories.

Believing that an eternal, invisible being just snapped his fingers is even more farfetched and it is kind of sad that religious people even try to fit God into that equation like some kind of last resort since he cannot fit anywhere else. Faith can exist besides science, try not to squeeze God into it because it only fails.

Yes, but that is only an explanation whose purpose is to fit a preset narrative. If this god-being exist outside of our universe, what universe does it live in and what laws govern it? Where did it get its concience from in that universe? Also, why do we humans have such hubris that we feel that concience is any more special than any other chemical reaction happening inside of us or any other animal?

Are you seriously trying to argue with someone who drops arguments like that (bold one)? Whatever dude, he is frigging God, he can do whatever he likes.

There is a fundamental problem when arguing with people who do not believe in science - they do not believe in anything that goes against their mindset. With their position - the existence of a divine being - they can practically negate every valid point you make. So you have scientific proof for the human evolution? Well, maybe god just made it so it looks like natural evolution? Or maybe you're just wrong because I'm saying you're wrong and science sucks.

And even in a billion years humanity will not be able to proof that God does not exist. We will just be able to proof that everything that has been said to be an action of god is based on physical and chemical natural evolution. But even than they will just claim that god "made" the natural evolution.

Proofing that something which does not exist indeed does not exist is impossible. You will never be able to rule out the existence of my friends, the laser shooting invisible flying fire unicorns in the invisible cloud kingdom of Mount Everest, sorry.

Someone on page 2 already posted that you can actually still see the Big Bang today, with stuff like the CMB. There is undeniable proof, that the event took place, even if we cannot fully explain it yet.

Another very valid argument is that humanity is just beginning to research physics and chemics, but these people just smartassly expect these brillant scientists to find out the basis of billion years of evolution and physics within 100-150 years, while they are probably not even smart enough to explain the chemical reactions behind the existence of ozone holes, something everyone with a certain educational level can do.

Why is this still going on. It's stupid. The religious will never accept things like logic and fact because it goes against the "faith" that's been forced into them since they were children.

When I see arguments like this, the only solace I can take is that the history books will look back at the religious as the villains more and more as time marches forward.

The crimes committed in the names of imaginary gods. Unwanted children and female health compromises brought by fighting contraceptive use on religious grounds. People killed by diseases that could have been cured by stem cell research, research that the religious try to block. All strikes on the history of the people future generations will laugh at, in much the same way we laugh at the Greeks who believed in Zeus.

I couldn't begin to tell you what laws govern whatever plane of existence God exists on. I obviously haven't been there myself, and even if I could somehow escape this universe, I'm not sure I could even truly comprehend it. My argument is simply that the "where did God come from" is moot because any God that would be in a position to create the universe would not be bound by the universe's laws. Sort of like how a developer of a video game is not bound to the same commands for run, jump, dodge, etc. that he programs into his video game.

And I have no idea where the conscience question is coming from, but again, I don't know. For the sake of discussion, though, I suppose what makes it "special" is that, unlike most instincts/feelings which we could quite easily tie down to simply helping us survive (fear, sexual attraction, desire for possessions, etc.), a conscience seems to tell us to act in ways which would be quite against our best survival interests, such as altruism or putting ourselves in danger to save another person.

He reveals Himself to everyone that seeks Him out of love and sincerity of heart. Your idea makes sense in a world without God, however, in the world I live it does not makke sense, since God do not play with us, our problems comes from our own evil and iniquity, plus the unbereable way the demons and Satan hate us.

All your questions come from the fact that you do not really want to know God, so it is impossible to solve all your doubts in posts in a videogame site. If you want to really know what it is all about, read the gospel, Matthew, Luke, John and Mark. It is milk for children in God and Christ. Very simple to read and it solve most of doubts. Plus, if you read with sincerity, God ma reveal Himself to you WHILE you read, in some miraculous way that will surely deserve a thread of its own.

It is a very short history man, less than 7 thousand years. It will have a happy ending.

That said, we don´t have to argue about it since nothing you say can change my mind since I am born again, meaning, God gives me signs and proof of his love every freaking day. And also evil shows himself in very real forms too, to try to harm me.

It is very real to people that humble themselves and start to seek it, but I respect your choices.

See you in some video game thread, I like you either way. Peace.

Your God doesn't exist. None of the major religions' gods exist because science and simple observations have disproven these gods' abilities that many religious zealots claim.

The Bible is written by no more than a bunch of amateur writers. So many inconsistencies and it's poorly written, too. Better off reading Shakespeare, Dickens, or Tolkien because their books are actually worth the time.

Your holier-than-thou attitude won't get you anywhere nor will it make your religion anymore correct because it isn't. In fact, the point of religion was to establish a sense of community among the people, not to shove made up stories up people's brains like you are. A true Christian should be bragging about how much community service he/she has done, not how blessed he/she is. Just absolutely disgraceful. I can't even consider you a Christian with that kind of attiude you've displayed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

Too hateful, ain´t going to reply. God exists, He shows His grace in my life everyday. I have seen tons of miracles. When you deliver yourself to Him He will show Himself in your life in a very real and strong way, that is all that is. If you run away from Him, He will hide Himself as well. 

All the evidence that you can show comes from hateful evil inspired researches and lies. 

It is all faith in the end, yours is in the fact that there is nothing more than life itself. Mine is in God.

However, do not answer, I do not believe in internet preaching and you guys are too pride to talk in a civil way about religion.

We will talk in the video games threads man, no problem, but I will not answer in this one anymore, it kind hurts to read this kind of stuff because I am saved and everything, so He is in my life everyday, I see the signs all the time, so it is just sad to read blasphemies. My mistake to post here.

Anyways, see you around. Please do not reply.

The big bang was the beginning of what we call the observable universe. One theory is the infinite parallel universes. Basically think of a room full of balloons. Each balloon is a universe like our own. Each balloon can expand, collapse or contract. Also, they do not effect each other as the gaps between them is large. Maybe these universes can interact, but that's just theory anything could be possible.

The balloons expanding and contracting would be the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bounce theory. Think of a universe as a period of time between the balloon first being blown up and then deflating over time.

The real answers are beyond our knowledge though for the moment. So I guess a lot of people could surmise 'who is the one blowing up the balloons'?

so then we might agree that using God as an explanation is more wishful thinking than something we actually think exist? I could claim that invisible, fuzzy bears are the force behind the concept of love, bit can we agree that it is more probable that another explanation is behind the concept of love? What I am getting at is that people should keep god out of these discussions and only use god as part of your faith, nothing else.

and regarding consciousness, what you are describing is a behavior that is part of us as animals. We have just decided to call a very basic behavior as consciousness because, once again, it fits our world view. We can compare with some kinds of birds, that actually lies down and dies when their partner passes away. We also see animals that are depressed or are cannibals. Those are not logical behavior but it part of the animal kingdom, just as we are.

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