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Schreckofant on 31 August 2014
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Puppyroach said:
MTZehvor said:
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Mystro-Sama said:

Most Atheists i've spoken to dropped the smartass attitude after that question. Not to mention that they can't seem to answer the question of how an existence without consciousness can create an existence with consciousness.

But in that case, who created the conciousness that created the conciouss existence? 

There wouldn't need to be anyone; if a being exists outside of the universe, it is not bound by the laws that exist within this universe, such as time (and, by extension, the need to have a beginning). 

Yes, but that is only an explanation whose purpose is to fit a preset narrative. If this god-being exist outside of our universe, what universe does it live in and what laws govern it? Where did it get its concience from in that universe? Also, why do we humans have such hubris that we feel that concience is any more special than any other chemical reaction happening inside of us or any other animal?

Are you seriously trying to argue with someone who drops arguments like that (bold one)? Whatever dude, he is frigging God, he can do whatever he likes.

There is a fundamental problem when arguing with people who do not believe in science - they do not believe in anything that goes against their mindset. With their position - the existence of a divine being - they can practically negate every valid point you make. So you have scientific proof for the human evolution? Well, maybe god just made it so it looks like natural evolution? Or maybe you're just wrong because I'm saying you're wrong and science sucks.

And even in a billion years humanity will not be able to proof that God does not exist. We will just be able to proof that everything that has been said to be an action of god is based on physical and chemical natural evolution. But even than they will just claim that god "made" the natural evolution.

Proofing that something which does not exist indeed does not exist is impossible. You will never be able to rule out the existence of my friends, the laser shooting invisible flying fire unicorns in the invisible cloud kingdom of Mount Everest, sorry.

Someone on page 2 already posted that you can actually still see the Big Bang today, with stuff like the CMB. There is undeniable proof, that the event took place, even if we cannot fully explain it yet.

Another very valid argument is that humanity is just beginning to research physics and chemics, but these people just smartassly expect these brillant scientists to find out the basis of billion years of evolution and physics within 100-150 years, while they are probably not even smart enough to explain the chemical reactions behind the existence of ozone holes, something everyone with a certain educational level can do.