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MTZehvor on 31 August 2014
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Puppyroach said:
MTZehvor said:
VanceIX said:
Mystro-Sama said:

Most Atheists i've spoken to dropped the smartass attitude after that question. Not to mention that they can't seem to answer the question of how an existence without consciousness can create an existence with consciousness.

But in that case, who created the conciousness that created the conciouss existence? 

There wouldn't need to be anyone; if a being exists outside of the universe, it is not bound by the laws that exist within this universe, such as time (and, by extension, the need to have a beginning). 

Yes, but that is only an explanation whose purpose is to fit a preset narrative. If this god-being exist outside of our universe, what universe does it live in and what laws govern it? Where did it get its concience from in that universe? Also, why do we humans have such hubris that we feel that concience is any more special than any other chemical reaction happening inside of us or any other animal?

I couldn't begin to tell you what laws govern whatever plane of existence God exists on. I obviously haven't been there myself, and even if I could somehow escape this universe, I'm not sure I could even truly comprehend it. My argument is simply that the "where did God come from" is moot because any God that would be in a position to create the universe would not be bound by the universe's laws. Sort of like how a developer of a video game is not bound to the same commands for run, jump, dodge, etc. that he programs into his video game.

And I have no idea where the conscience question is coming from, but again, I don't know. For the sake of discussion, though, I suppose what makes it "special" is that, unlike most instincts/feelings which we could quite easily tie down to simply helping us survive (fear, sexual attraction, desire for possessions, etc.), a conscience seems to tell us to act in ways which would be quite against our best survival interests, such as altruism or putting ourselves in danger to save another person.