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You can't actually say Nintendo isn't working on VR...they are very secretive about what they work on and manage to actually keep it that way. M$ did say they are playing wait and see but you know they are thinking about it. They would probably just throw some money at Facebook/Occulus Rift if Nintendo and Sony both dropped a VR bomb. I can't wait for SAO to happen IRL.

I know this wasn't as on topic as it should have been but meh. I don't really believe Sony is all that innovative with the PS...software on the other hand they have always been good at. They should use the innovation they have for everything else and use it on their next console.



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justgames7604 said:
XSpike said:

I was having this big argument with this dude today about PSNow and Share Play, which he just laughed at, as PSNow "costed" to much and Share Play only allowed 60mins. I know I'll never use PSNow, or Share Play but I do see the value in them, massive value.

I find PSNow to be excellent, you got to realize the cost of setting up all them PS3s with high bandwidth servers, the cost of maintenance, paying the games IP owner, the power usage, the space all these servers take up and the rest of it. Streaming a little old movie is dirt cheap when compared to it, so of course its going to cost a fair bit more, or even renting a physical copy of the game should be much cheaper, its not like your using bandwidth and the rest I listed above.
I also believe PSNow is more for the future then for gamers today, at the moment I see it only really being viable for those who don't own said console, only want to play the odd game now and then, or those who travel light (with no console) and many other reasons like such. But in the future where internet is super fast, and maybe consoles are extinct where are people going to play video games? Its from services just like PSNow, and we all know those who build such services first are those who are likely to own the market.

If your a true gamer, or just an avg casual gamer, it should be cheaper to buy the correct console & games then to keep on renting games. Least for the time being.




Share Play, I see the use of it for like, say I bought a new game and my friend asked "Hows that game dude!? I'm not sure if I want to buy it or not" I could be like "Here dude, I'll send you an Share Play invite so you can give it a little go" or I got Tekken 7 and my buddy who doesn't own the game, is keen for a jam so I send him a Share Play invite so we can both play while at completely different places! Now that type of stuff is awesome.

I don't see why I would let someone play on my PS4, all day long to finish a game in 720p with some latency. GO BUY THE DAMN GAME YOURSELF!


VR is huge, maybe not this gen, it'll start this gen but its totally going to take off one day when the headsets are super comfy and super light that you barely notice your wearing a headset. It'll happen.


But from what i gathee from share play, if you let someone 'borrow' your game you cant be using your ps4 at the same time. Basically the same as letting someone over and use your ps4 because yoyre not using it.

Correct

You can play your PS4 at the same time, if the game supports local co-op like my example of Tekken 7.

Its also why adding a 60min time limit makes so much sense, why should you/sony/developers allow someone on a PS4, to play your PS4 to play a game that you own at 720p, at 30fps, with latacy involved until say you want to use your PS4 or till they finished the game that you bought. Its use is for like I said before, to give your friend a try at a game he might be on the edge of buying, or so you can play a game with a friend at local co-op without him being at yours or him owning the game, etc..

Its an awesome feature to have, but it really needs that 60min time limit or publishers and such would really hate on Sony for it, even gamers should hate it, nobody wants to always play 720p 30fps with latancy issues, Blahhh!



Intrinsic said:

Hmmm, your commenst are fast beginning to sound like you have a bias.

 

  1. I dont know how you could have missed it, but the PS division is one of the few sony divisions that are profitable. Whats responsible for them bleeding money is mostly their Tv divison and other electronics divisions. Difference between this and online, is that services like online had streaming games to be their bread and butter. Game streaming should not be approached that way. It should be a niche feature, something for those that really want it and something that I am sure sony doesn;t expect there to be a lot of people doing. If for nothing else not everyone has the bandwith that will make it feasible for them. And if comparing emulators to this, then you really have no idea what PSnow is designed for. Don't even know what PCs being able to run everything has to do with this.

    PSnow means that the PS4 doesn't have to have BC compatible hardware to actually be BC. And I do not know of any PC emulator that emulates PS3 games and even ultimately PS4 games. You heard of the PStv. Its a $99 box with a controller. That will support PSnow too. At some point, even if you own a samsung tv and no console at all the Tv will have support for PSnow. 


  2. Again, you are really beginning to sound biased. I don't mind you having your opinion, but when you dismiss everything and attack it with very little to no basis before the thing is even out it makes one wonder. For those that have the bandwidth to enjoy this,  Share play will be the single biggest thing this generation. Get this, your friends can play any game you own while they dont own it. All your games. If being able to loan a game out to a friend was ever a thing, then this takes that to a completely different level. Granted, your milage may vary depending on you rinternet connection, but ts things like this that will make people want to have better internet connections. Kinda like netflix. If netflix could succeed, you really think being able to play games for free wouldn't? Hell, I am sure a majority of people will put up with whatever video artifacts they have to simply cause they are you know, getting it for free.

 


Never lead an argument to "bias" because that, more than anything, shows the paranoia of your talking points.

1.) PS division has only been profitable if you ignore the massive billion dollar loses its acrued and, subsequently, not actually recouped. They have only recently actually started being in the positive but they were, before, bleeding money on the PS3. As for the rest, yes those companies were one-trick-ponies but the fact of the matter is that there isn't exactly much of any demand for such services. Sony is marketting it very much as if they expect people to pick this thing up.

I am comparing emulators because, in this day and age, it doesn't take a spool of CAT5 to wire your TV to your computer or an entertainment mini-PC which will be able to play any and all games you may like, on your TV, in better resolution/response/rendering than anything that PSNow can ever hope to achieve. PSNow is not good backwards compatability because it is a streaming service (ie: bad quality presentation, control lag, and so on)... and it costs an arm and a leg. What you have there is a badly constructed talking point. You'd spend less money and have better quality gaming just buying a PS3 if you were so desperate for the library that Sony decided not to include with the PS4.

You should be well, aware, that I do hate the idea of consoles removing their older cataloges through the lack of BC.

2.) I did not dismiss it, I said it will be quite interesting to watch it possibly fail for very, very real reasons. Input lag is a killer when gaming because it only broods frustration. Its a very real thing.

Netflix is an non-interactive thing, the comparison is terrible. Might as well compare gaming to reading a book.



NickK said:
LOL PS4 is truly a PS3.5!
X1 is way better than PS4!

And outta curiosity, where are the admins to ban this guy? Haters Be damned! He damns the whole website!

LOL u consider yourself the whole website? get a life boy! i wish u wer being sarcastic!



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well thats true, ps3 already had remote play so wiiu wasnt first with it, and ps3 also had TV capabilities with the nasne extention, so Xbone was also not first with that one.



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Turkish said:
well thats true, ps3 already had remote play so wiiu wasnt first with it, and ps3 also had TV capabilities with the nasne extention, so Xbone was also not first with that one.


Streaming gameplay was already done by OnLive. I have their TV console (got it free with purchase of a game).

The PS4 isn't doing anything particularly "innovative." But that's okay, they're still cool features.



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NickK said:
LOL PS4 is truly a PS3.5!
X1 is way better than PS4!

And outta curiosity, where are the admins to ban this guy? Haters Be damned! He damns the whole website!


i have mod immunity.

you are pretty new here so let me how things work on this website. due to the outragous adds on this site everybody has ad block, so in order for the site to make money you can buy immunity, and thats what i, and a lot of other posters, did. its just 99$ a year. pretty cheap if you ask me. 



I wouldn't consider any of the 3 consoles " innovative" to be honest!  For now at least!



                
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PS4 deserves the lead.



The DS4 is doing what both the Wii U-pad and Kinect failed to deliver.Tearaway Unfolded will make full use of DS4s features with touch, motion, and LED for none conventional controls the right way with no screen or camera.Sony did not need a gimmick or extra device to achieve this.