Isn't Xenoblade X still slated for this year? I expect it to be very front loaded (at least in Japan) and I don't expect it to push hardware over the longer term (sadly - I'll be getting it day 1).

Devil's 3rd - I don't expect it to sell that well - at least not mass market numbers, even if it turns out to be a great game. It had trouble picking up a publisher last year when THQ died. That's not a great sign.

Right now , X1s problem is Ps4. That's where the cross shopping is happening and Ps4 is a much more attractive proposition , both short and long term. I REALLY doubt too many people are cross shopping WiiU and X1 so from that perspective - the entire topic is kindof silly :) (though fun I have to admit).

Cros gen seems to only be afecting the x1 aparantly since the ps4 is flying of shelves.  I highly doubt the x1 will sell a third of the ps4's numbers.

I know multyplats are very important to allconsoles. But if the ps4 next year has almost all the games the x1 has except for 3, but the ps4 still has like 10 the x1 does not, people will take notice and keep choossing the ps4. You might think that releasing a bunch of little games wont help but they appeal to somebody.

Another thing that you are probably tired of hearing is that the more ps4 sells, the more likely their friends of the owners will get a ps4 to play together and since a lot of them are 360 owners that jumped ships, well thats not going to be good for x1.

Also tired of hearing the ps4's hardware supiriority so the x1 should not cost the same as the ps4. O and all 3 will get a pricecut next year so that will not influence anyone to choose the x1.

Nintendo might not be selling right now due to the hypetrain the ps4 vs x1 war has had for over ayear. Any game nintendo released got overshodowed by everything else and people where waiting for the next big thing and fighting the console war and just ignored nintendo. But all that is over now and the hype is gone and nintendo went back into the light as x1 crashed and burned after loosing the war. Another thing is that unlike xbox games that sell all they are going to sell in the first month, nintendo games sell for years with every new console purchase so all those big hitters will come back in the holidays and theoff season next year.

All three will get a price cut next year? Xbox one can afford a price cut because it's hardware isn't as expensive to make compare to the ps4. Sony doesn't have a lot of money and can't afford a lost on ps4 (ps4 is the only thing making a profit for sony) so I think only Microsoft and maybe Nintendo will have a price cut.

After the holidays they have nothing but quantom brake until the next holidays.

You mentioned a few that are coming this year, some that are coming late next year and a lot that dont even have release date that will probably come 2016 since some where shown only CGI trailers and other where just or not even mentioned. So still the x1 has nothing, sincemost of what you mentioned canot be used in the argument. Plus all those third partys seem to move mostly ps4's.

Well... even as a Nintendo fan, i didnt see WiiU could sell more than X1 in 2 months in row... So i could agree with ur prediction ;p

If the xbox hardware is not as expensive as the ps4, why did MS decided that it should be the same price as the ps4? So M$ has been shafting xbox fans? 

Sony anounced that they weremaking profit on each ps4, even if not a lot they can drope the price a little. Plus, on this day and age technology gets cheaper every year so by next year they will know where to cut coners. so $50 sometime nextyear is not out of the question,specially since they wont want to give M$ the upper hand in any way.

Holidays are the BIGGEST time of the year for systems to be sold. I remember when ps3 outsold 360 month after month, but one holiday reversed all of that and sometimes actually put xbox 360 ahead for the year. And same thing can be said about ps4 games and Wii U games. Sony is especially guilty of this because they announce a release date for a game and delay it a year. Look at drive club.

Microsoft is doing the same thing that Nintendo did. Release it at a  somewhat expensive price for first year, use the large amount of profits to subsudize their lost when they do a price cut in 2015. And again, Sony can't risk any lost with the PS4 or take much chances with new ips (they rely on indie games with their open policies) because if they were to lose any money on the PS4 or can't profit off the PS4, Sony is definantly finished. It has gotten so bad for Sony that their own governement won't back them up any more.

"Xbox one has Halo 5, Fable legends, Forza 6 (more than likely), Crackdown, Phantom Dust, Tomb Raider, Gears of War, Scalebound, Quantum Break, Dance central, Master Chief collection, Sunset Overdrive, Spark, Forza Horizon 2, ect... I think we can agree that xbox one has more than enough games exclusive wise. Plus not to mention all the third party support. So more people are going to pick up an Xbox one than a Wii U."

Actually its unlikely people are cross shopping WiiU and X1 at all.  The experiences they offer are very different. 

X1s problem is Ps4. And THATS a biggie.  X1 just looks unnattractive to gamers and publishers beside Ps4.  Already seeing the rumblings from Ubisoft and Actvision about this.  I DO think X1 sales will pick up.  But Wii U sales will pick up too.   X1 will win USA,  Wii U is currently PASTING X1 in Europe though and of course Japan (shrinking market) is where Wii U will rank 1st for the generation.

H5 - is it announced for 2015?

GOW - I'd expect it for Christmas 2015.

Forza 6 - is it announced for 2015? Shocked at how poorly Forza 5 sold.

Tomb Raider - current iteration has sold TERRIBLY on X1

Crackdown - the original sold OK on a platform that had a lot more buzz. The sequel sold a LOT worse

Fable    - should be interesting,.  The main series sells well.  The remasters (the journey, anniversary) have BOMBED

Sunset Overdrive - I'm quite interested in this. I think it will sell

Forza horizon 2   - Forza horizon 1 sold below expectations.  About 40% of Forza 2 and even less compared to F3 and F4.   Will be interesting to see if they can make this sell beyond the hardcore Forza peeps.

MCC - Will sell well up front and fade quickly.  Its basically product people have .  The fanbase will LOVE it.  Newbies won't bother too much.

Its not a bad list.  But there is nothing between now and Nov.  which makes 2014 a lost cause for X1.  9M  at the VERY outside by dec 31.     16-17 mil by the end of 2016.

Yes they are, they sell almost the entire years worth in the holiday. So If the x1 has sold 2m this year(and I think thats far to much) then is likely to sell 2m on the holidays, I'll say 3m to be more then generous. And why? because the way it has been doing the rest of the year is an indication of the interest the people have in the product. If the ps4 sold 6m(Yes 3:1 for the year) it will sell probably another 6m the rest of the year.

Now here is the tricky part. Thewii u has sold 1.5 or less I think, but before E3 interest of the wii u was half of what it is now and a bunch of new IPs are coming so this arithmatic is a little offset so it can sell 2-3m the rest of the year.

First of all, on E3 nintendo dint anounce anything that would not be out latest next year and zelda was the latest anouncement and all of it was gameplay. MS and sony showed mostly CGI trailers while MS showed the most CGI trailers and anounced games that wont even be coming out next year. Second, did you see gamescon, where sony said all theese games are coming with in 6 months. A bunch of new games. What did MS showed? The same things we saw at E3, but we know about the tomb raider exclusivity so we got that going for us,wich is nice.