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Ninsect on 13 August 2014
Landguy said:
Sounds good to me, at least the whiners can now get the game 6-12 months later...

For those who would have actually been interested in the game, they will get it when its available on XB1 if it really mattered to them. If they don't, they can get it later on whatever platform.

Problem solved...

Lol, really now. They're going to buy an expensive console just because they're interested in this game, which they can get elsewhere if they wait a few short months



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Ninsect on 13 August 2014
Machiavellian said:
KylieDog said:
""When people want me to say, can you tell us when or if it's coming to other platforms, it's not my job," Spencer told Eurogamer. "My job is not to talk about games I don't own. I have a certain relationship on this version of Tomb Raider, which we announced, and I feel really good about our long term relationship with Crystal and Square.

"I get the reaction I see. If I'm a PlayStation person all of a sudden I feel like, the franchise has gone. I didn't buy the IP. I didn't buy the studio. It's not mine. Where this thing will go over time, just like Dead Rising or Ryse, we'll see what happens with the game. I don't own every iteration of Tomb Raider.

"I don't own them building Tomb Raider on other platforms. I can't talk about the franchise that way. I can talk about the deal I have.""

So, what, exactly, is that deal?

"I have Tomb Raider shipping next holiday exclusively on Xbox. It is Xbox 360 and Xbox One. I'm not trying to fake anybody out in terms of where this thing is. What they do with the franchise in the long run is not mine. I don't control it. So all I can talk about is the deal I have. I don't know where else Tomb Raider goes."

Is there a time limit on the exclusivity period?

"Yes, the deal has a duration. I didn't buy it. I don't own the franchise."

Can you tell us how long the duration is?

"No. It's not because I'm trying to be a headfake on anybody. It's a deal between us and the partner. People ask me how much did we pay. There are certain things I'm just not going to talk about because it's a business deal between us and them. Obviously the deal does have a duration. I didn't buy the IP in perpetuity."


Very wormy guy, he in no way implies RotTR will be on anything but Xbox, when he talks of other platforms he refers to the franchise or the IP.

Interesting enough, I also noticed the same thing in his statement.  Phil never states that this Tomb Raidar will ever see the light of day on any other console besides MS.  There is nothing wormy about what he says. Phil clearly states he has no control of the IP or the franchase and what CD or SE will do with it.  He only have control on the deal for this game which is very clear from his words.  

The crazy part is that this Tomb Raider might not come to PC or PS4 which would be kind of funny in a lot of ways based on some huge threads here and other places.

As I told Starcraft, the deal has a duration so unless you believe it lasts 2+ years there will be a PS4 version (and PC). Heck, they've most likely already started on those versions 



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Burek on 13 August 2014

So, to recap, RoTR was scheduled to come out on XBox and PS in fall 2015, about the same time as Uncharted 4.
So, on XOne it would have no competition, while on PS4 it would compete, and possibly split some sales between two games (probably hurting TR more)

Microsoft then pays Square Enix to postpone PS4 version. Thus leaving Uncharted with no competition and increasing its sales in the process. TR will probably sell the same number as they were supposed to on XBox, as there is no reason for anyone to switch console of choice, while also selling about the same on PS4 as they were supposed to when competing with UC4, only 6 months later. Thus making the same money from sales, plus a money hat bonus from MS.

Conclusion: MS paid money to increase sales of Uncharted 4.

Brilliant!



Landguy on 13 August 2014
KylieDog said:
Landguy said:
Sounds good to me, at least the whiners can now get the game 6-12 months later...

For those who would have actually been interested in the game, they will get it when its available on XB1 if it really mattered to them. If they don't, they can get it later on whatever platform.

Problem solved...


Excep it's a story heavy game and it'll be spoiled by then.

Under that theory, if you don't buy any game day 1 the story is ruined.  How the hell does TLOUR sell at all then?



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Landguy on 13 August 2014
Ninsect said:
Landguy said:
Sounds good to me, at least the whiners can now get the game 6-12 months later...

For those who would have actually been interested in the game, they will get it when its available on XB1 if it really mattered to them. If they don't, they can get it later on whatever platform.

Problem solved...

Lol, really now. They're going to buy an expensive console just because they're interested in this game, which they can get elsewhere if they wait a few short months

I said that exact same thing in my post, what is your point?



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Machiavellian on 13 August 2014
Ninsect said:
Machiavellian said:
KylieDog said:
""When people want me to say, can you tell us when or if it's coming to other platforms, it's not my job," Spencer told Eurogamer. "My job is not to talk about games I don't own. I have a certain relationship on this version of Tomb Raider, which we announced, and I feel really good about our long term relationship with Crystal and Square.

"I get the reaction I see. If I'm a PlayStation person all of a sudden I feel like, the franchise has gone. I didn't buy the IP. I didn't buy the studio. It's not mine. Where this thing will go over time, just like Dead Rising or Ryse, we'll see what happens with the game. I don't own every iteration of Tomb Raider.

"I don't own them building Tomb Raider on other platforms. I can't talk about the franchise that way. I can talk about the deal I have.""

So, what, exactly, is that deal?

"I have Tomb Raider shipping next holiday exclusively on Xbox. It is Xbox 360 and Xbox One. I'm not trying to fake anybody out in terms of where this thing is. What they do with the franchise in the long run is not mine. I don't control it. So all I can talk about is the deal I have. I don't know where else Tomb Raider goes."

Is there a time limit on the exclusivity period?

"Yes, the deal has a duration. I didn't buy it. I don't own the franchise."

Can you tell us how long the duration is?

"No. It's not because I'm trying to be a headfake on anybody. It's a deal between us and the partner. People ask me how much did we pay. There are certain things I'm just not going to talk about because it's a business deal between us and them. Obviously the deal does have a duration. I didn't buy the IP in perpetuity."


Very wormy guy, he in no way implies RotTR will be on anything but Xbox, when he talks of other platforms he refers to the franchise or the IP.

Interesting enough, I also noticed the same thing in his statement.  Phil never states that this Tomb Raidar will ever see the light of day on any other console besides MS.  There is nothing wormy about what he says. Phil clearly states he has no control of the IP or the franchase and what CD or SE will do with it.  He only have control on the deal for this game which is very clear from his words.  

The crazy part is that this Tomb Raider might not come to PC or PS4 which would be kind of funny in a lot of ways based on some huge threads here and other places.

As I told Starcraft, the deal has a duration so unless you believe it lasts 2+ years there will be a PS4 version (and PC). Heck, they've most likely already started on those versions 

No, What I believe is that MS probably secured this deal for their standard time frame which is probably a year.  I believe this deal is probably closer to the deals they have made with Insomianc, Capcom and EA.  I believe the deal is probably more like Ninja Gaiden where CD will have to create another SKU with another name.



vivster on 13 August 2014

So it's a year?



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Machiavellian on 13 August 2014
Burek said:
So, to recap, RoTR was scheduled to come out on XBox and PS in fall 2015, about the same time as Uncharted 4.
So, on XOne it would have no competition, while on PS4 it would compete, and possibly split some sales between two games (probably hurting TR more)

Microsoft then pays Square Enix to postpone PS4 version. Thus leaving Uncharted with no competition and increasing its sales in the process. TR will probably sell the same number as they were supposed to on XBox, as there is no reason for anyone to switch console of choice, while also selling about the same on PS4 as they were supposed to when competing with UC4, only 6 months later. Thus making the same money from sales, plus a money hat bonus from MS.

Conclusion: MS paid money to increase sales of Uncharted 4.

Brilliant!

Quality does make a difference.  This has a chance to changing pretty much everything you just stated.  Without knowing anything about the game, story, graphics etc, who is to say that TR might end up being the better game.  Nothing is written just yet 

Also, I doubt that TR on the PS4 would decrease sales of Uncharted 4 unless what I stated above becomes true.  I am sure MS really does not care how much Uncharted sale to people who already have a PS4.  What MS would like is that TR couple with the other games they are releasing entice people on the fence to purchase a X1.  Without know the lenght of the timed exclusive, if TR comes out a winner could be a nice little spot in MS library until the game release on the PS4.



Aura7541 on 13 August 2014
Burek said:
So, to recap, RoTR was scheduled to come out on XBox and PS in fall 2015, about the same time as Uncharted 4.
So, on XOne it would have no competition, while on PS4 it would compete, and possibly split some sales between two games (probably hurting TR more)

Microsoft then pays Square Enix to postpone PS4 version. Thus leaving Uncharted with no competition and increasing its sales in the process. TR will probably sell the same number as they were supposed to on XBox, as there is no reason for anyone to switch console of choice, while also selling about the same on PS4 as they were supposed to when competing with UC4, only 6 months later. Thus making the same money from sales, plus a money hat bonus from MS.

Conclusion: MS paid money to increase sales of Uncharted 4.

Brilliant!

This is actually pretty damn funny. MS just inadvertently helped the latest sequel to Sony's biggest franchise to sell even more. Doesn't really help when all the consumers already know that RoTR will eventually come out on other platforms.



Sal.Paradise on 13 August 2014
KylieDog said:
Fusioncode said:
This why I like you Phil. No PR bullshit, just straight answers.


There is nothing straight about his wording.

Seriously, it's like blood from a stone. Nothing cool or honest about this interview.