JayWood2010 said: Basically its dirty if MSFT does it. Anybody else and its ok. At the end of the day its a business and whether its first, second, or third party that money is used to make their console more appealing to consumers by keeping it off other platforms.  Its smart business and the reactions show it honestly.

lets grow up and stop with these generilizations. these "X fans do this" or "if its X company that did this there would be a riot, but when Y company does it its ok" comments. they are not only extremely false, but they just antagonize the other users on this site.

 

an example from one thread about timed exclusivity of content. with posters from all three fanbases complaining about it. 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6439867

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6439909

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6439713

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6481138

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6438186

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6438039

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6438067

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6438247

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6439451

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6424538

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6437893

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6437923

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6437998

Azerth said: its only frowned upon if its Microsoft that did the moneyhatting

give me a fucking break will ya?

 

an example from one thread about timed exclusivity of content. with posters from all three fanbases complaining about it. 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6439867

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6439909

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6439713

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6481138

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6438186

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6438039

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6438067

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6438247

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6439451

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6424538

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6437893

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6437923

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6437998

IamAwsome said: Teeqoz said: IamAwsome said: They opened a dozen new studios over the years. They're working on something. Microsoft also has new stuff like Scalebound, Sunset Overdrive, and Project Spark. There isn't a shortage of new projects at Microsoft Studios.  The Wii U's first party games aren't enough to power it past the PS4. Microsoft knows you need more than first party games to sell, and this is why they moneyhat.  Sunset Overdrive isn't developed by a MS studio, and neither is Scalebound, and neither is Project Spark. Tgey are 3rd party exclusives. And I'm guessing the new studios don't exist?

Lol, I find your defensiveness here amusing. Where did I post anything that made you think that? Was it just because I pointed out that your statement was factually incorrect? You said "MS also has new stuff like Scalebound, Sunset Overdrive and Project Spark." And I said that that was wrong, none of them are MS projects, that's like saying The rise of the Tomb Raider is an MS project just because it's exclusive (Project Spark isn't even exclusive, it's coming to PC and the 360 as well). Now if you want to have a discussion were you won't make assumptions on what other people think I'm okay with that, but you can't go around saying things that are plain wrong without expecting to be called out on it.

bananaking21 said: Azerth said: its only frowned upon if its Microsoft that did the moneyhatting give me a fucking break will ya?   an example from one thread about timed exclusivity of content. with posters from all three fanbases complaining about it.  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6439867 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6439909 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6439713 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6481138 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6438186 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6438039 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6438067 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6438247 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6439451 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6424538 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6437893 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6437923 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6437998

I know right? People saying only MS gets bashed (or whatever) are either:

a)hypocrites

b)people that don't think before they post, and don't bother to check if it's actually true.

Or c)fanboys/girls

I kinda wish you could make a thread with this so that people stop saying BS.

Teeqoz said: I know right? People saying only MS gets bashed (or whatever) are either: a)hypocrites b)people that don't think before they post, and don't bother to check if it's actually true. Or c)fanboys/girls I kinda wish you could make a thread with this so that people stop saying BS.

by all means, go ahead and so it. its not like these types of comments would stop though. 

bananaking21 said: Teeqoz said: I know right? People saying only MS gets bashed (or whatever) are either: a)hypocrites b)people that don't think before they post, and don't bother to check if it's actually true. Or c)fanboys/girls I kinda wish you could make a thread with this so that people stop saying BS. by all means, go ahead and so it. its not like these types of comments would stop though.

Nah, it's too much of a hassle while I'm on my phone.

Teeqoz said: IamAwsome said: Teeqoz said: IamAwsome said: They opened a dozen new studios over the years. They're working on something. Microsoft also has new stuff like Scalebound, Sunset Overdrive, and Project Spark. There isn't a shortage of new projects at Microsoft Studios.  The Wii U's first party games aren't enough to power it past the PS4. Microsoft knows you need more than first party games to sell, and this is why they moneyhat.  Sunset Overdrive isn't developed by a MS studio, and neither is Scalebound, and neither is Project Spark. Tgey are 3rd party exclusives. And I'm guessing the new studios don't exist? Lol, I find your defensiveness here amusing. Where did I post anything that made you think that? Was it just because I pointed out that your statement was factually incorrect? You said "MS also has new stuff like Scalebound, Sunset Overdrive and Project Spark." And I said that that was wrong, none of them are MS projects, that's like saying The rise of the Tomb Raider is an MS project just because it's exclusive (Project Spark isn't even exclusive, it's coming to PC and the 360 as well). Now if you want to have a discussion were you won't make assumptions on what other people think I'm okay with that, but you can't go around saying things that are plain wrong without expecting to be called out on it.

I'm just saying, you pointed out the three games I listed while talking as if the new studios don't exist. 

Anyway, as for the three games, how are they not MS projects? Microsoft doesn't have to own the studio for the game to be a "1st party game". They funded the titles. I'm not insisting that every exclusive that shows up on Xbox is a "MS game", but the three that I listed definately are. Others have said MS doesn't invest in first party content. I was using those examples and the studios to show that they clearly do. 

People really mind it when it seems the public have voted with their wallets. Not even considering last gen but this Gen. The Tomb Raider Remaster and the install base. It is bad because it takes the power out of gamers hands and forces them to make choices they may not make organically. Some argue it simply drives competition but it truly doesnt. There is no competition with spending money to withhold something from a competitor it is cheap and stagnates progress. New IP? Not that big of a deal, Sunset Overdrive and Titanfall were not met with NEARLY this much animosity. The thing is this game was revealed to be coming to PS4 only 3 months ago so it isnt even as if this has been developed ground up with long term plans which makes it even worse because it appears as even MORE of a dick move for no apparent reason.

Bringing new IP's via monetary compensation is great, it allows studio to take risks and gives gamers somethign new. Using money to limit gamers access to existing IP's that have recently been shown off to them is another thing.

VanceIX said: ICStats said: Well, funding a new IP like Titanfall is fair game. If MS is paying to block an IP from a console on which that IP sells best, and is likely to sell 3 times more on PS4 than XB1 let alone PC sales, it's a betrayal to fans.  If I was working at CD I'd probably be searching for another company to work right now. Betrayal to fans? Microsoft is looking out for their own fans, and this deal made it possible for them to give their fans a game completely omptomized for the Xbox One.  Microsoft is company, as is CD/SE. They aren't here to make sure every single gamer is happy. They are here to make money, and that's what Microsoft is giving them.  Sony did the exact same thing with Final Fantasy when they stole it from Nintendo, and Nintendo did the exact same thing with Bayonetta 2. Like I said before, the industry isn't a fantasy land where the companies all work together to make everyone happy. No. They look out for themselves and their fans, and getting exclusive rights to games is one of the ways of doing so. If someone at CD heard this news, they would probably just be happy that Microsoft is paying for their salaries. They don't care if some people who only have a PS4 feel betrayed for whatever reason.

Dude FF could NEVER work on the N64 because of the cartridge format Nintendo still used as opposed to the CD format on the PS 1 which was cheapr and easier to code for. the subsiquent FF games were too damn big to be on N64 cartridges. FF7 on N64 would have had to be contained in 8-10 cartridges. Squaresoft DIDNT want to format their game on the N64 and since the PS1 had the larger fanbase, they were glad to go CD. That fault is on Nintendo not Sony, who lets not forget, nintendo tried to screw over inregardless to the CD format and Philips

LudicrousSpeed said: 1. Most gamers here seem to be Nintendo and Sony guys. Nintendo guys are pretty irrelevant in this, their console doesn't get most of these 3rd party games. Sony guys lose out on some big games, so naturally that is the situation that creates the biggest stink here. 2. Continuing on that path, a lot of the people here who ARE Sony supporters, seem to be people who came in during the PS2 era, back when it was Sony doing the moneyhatting. They've bitched about it the last two gens because it's a new experience to them. The dominant era of PS1/2 created a sense of entitlement with some people. PS3 broke some of them of this, much like it broke Sony of most of its arrogance. PS4 is dominating, not quite to that level, and it still angers some that it still goes on. I guess some people see PS4 at 10,000,000 units and WiiU at 7 or whatever million and Xbone at 5 or whatever million and they think 3rd party companies due to the gap should be begging Sony to even allow them to be making PS4 games or something. I mean, that thread about Square potentially killing Tomb Raider with this move was hilarious and eye opening in terms of how out of touch people are in regards to Sony and the industry. 3. Rustled jimmies. Naturally there is always some of this going to be happening. It might make good business sense to many for a deal like the Tomb Raider one to happen, or for From Software to take Sony's money and make Bloodborne or whatever (I always get this confused with the Platinum Xbone game, hope I got the name right) or Bayonetta 2 to be Wii U exclusive, but a gamer on a competing console will hate that move. 4. When Sony does it, there are no words to describe how great it is. When MS does it, it's worse than cancer. This is extremely evident after Gamescom where suddenly MS is the devil for moneyhatting games but omg wow did you see these PS4 games? Bloodborne (moneyhat exclusive from 3rd party company) The Order 1886 (moneyhat exclusive from 3rd party company) The Tomorrow Children (moneyhat exclusive from 3rd party company) I heard Housemarque showed off another PS4 exclusive, throw that one in there too. There is simply a difference in reaction to what happens when company A does it versus company B. Even on NeoGAF right now there is a huge thread about Tomb Raider where they make sure to point out right in the thread title "timed exclusive" and yet for Ninja Theory's new game it's "first to console on PS4" LOL. Personally IDGAF either way. The only thing in this whole scenario that has ever rubbed me the wrong way is Destiny's timed exclusive DLC inside of paid DLC, and even that's not too big a deal because I am not buying the game.

Wow...you do know that Bloodborne was made by Sony Japan Studios in collaboration with From Studios, funded by Sony using the Ice engine just like Demon souls was, right? The Ip is owned by Sony too.

The Order1886 is owned and funded by Sony by their SECOND party studio Ready at Dawn in COLLABORATION with their FIRST party studio Santa Monica studios. Just like Halo is for the Xbox....(so you can better understand)

Tomb Raider is an ALWAYS (since 1996) MULTIPLAT game which constently sells better on the PS brand (DV sold 450,000 for the PS4 and 117,000 xbox one) since 1996. There has never been a Tomb Raider game that never came out for the PS and PC. MS didnt buy the IP but pays SE to not release on other consoles. there is a difference...

At least get your freaking facts right before you come here spilling nonesense....