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Landguy on 07 August 2014
dangerguy said:

Hey, remember last generation when Xbox 360 multiplats were better forcing the PS3 to be discontinued and Sony out of the game console business?

We're now getting onto our fifth installment of this feature, and with every passing year the differences between the consoles continue to melt away. When we first started this feature, the differences between some versions of games were astounding. Fight Night Round 3 looked drastically better on the Xbox 360 with its improved lighting and shadowing effects. The following year, the graphics on both platforms got considerably more even--Oblivion even looked better on the PlayStation 3. Every subsequent comparison pretty much ended the same, with the Xbox 360 getting the benefit of slightly higher-resolution textures and other marginal improvements that wouldn't be noticed unless the images were put side by side. We'll see if the trend holds true with some of the best games from this year.

Assassins Creed II continues the trend we've seen with the Xbox 360 getting marginally better textures. You can see a bit more detail in Desmond's jeans, and the number 2 is considerably more clear in the Xbox shot. The Xbox 360 might also benefit from normal mapping, which gives the floor surfaces, the brick lines, and the door rivets a more 3D look.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-360-vs-ps3-graphics-comparison-round-5/1100-6242816/

The dye has been cast....

Most people on this site have made their mind up that even if you told them that car A could go 500 mph and car B could go 501 mph, that car B is the only car to buy.  It doesn't matter that you will never know the difference between 500 and 501 mph, its that fact that there is a difference.

I have discussed the idea that while actually playing a game, the difference in the most recent multiplats is almost impossible to see.  The answer back is that why would you buy a version that you know is lesser regardless of whether you can see it.

That leads me to believe that my general statement in the OP is even more true.  People want to be to be told what to think.  Life is easier that way.  Why bother rationally thinking things through when you can let someone else tell you that one game is better than another even if you yourself can't come to that conclusion.

This isn't about the PS4 is more powerful(It IS), as that isn't even debateable.  It's about accepting that Multiplats will be so close in quality, that it really doesn't matter. 



It is near the end of the end....

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jnemesh on 07 August 2014

Well, UHD sets are quickly dropping to realistic prices for regular folks...I am showing a retail price of $1499 for a Samsung 50" UHD LED panel right now, the UN50HU6950.  (I work for a distribution company that sells consumer electronics).  Personally, I would save up for at least a 65" set though.  The UN65HU8850 is selling right now for $2699...or what you would have spent for a good 1080p set last year!

Unfortunately, you will probably have to spend AT LEAST $2500-$3000 for a gaming PC that will handle that resolution...and the biggest problem is that video cards don't yet support HDMI 2.0...so you will be limited to 30fps until the graphics cards catch up.

I would wait another year before jumping into UHD, for that reason, and because 4k video content is so scarce right now...although Netflix and YouTube are both streaming 4k right now...IF you have the bandwidth!



taggartaa on 07 August 2014
Landguy said:
taggartaa said:
The original question is "Are the PS4 versions of multiplats really better?"

The answer is simply yes.

The much more hand wavy question that is being asked is, "Is it enough of a difference that it should matter which version of the game you buy?"

The answer is, it depends. If, in your situation, the only difference between buying the game on the ps4 or the xbox one was that the ps4 version is slightly better resolution (even if you don't have a tv that can render the difference), then you should still purchase it on the ps4. Because there would be a reason to, but no reason not to. If your choice is more complicated (say you have friends on a particular network, or you already own one of the consoles, or you're already knee deep in internet arguements and you don't want to hurt your ego, ect...), then you will have to weigh the pros and cons of choosing a version and decide what is best in your situation.

Yes, that was the real point of the OP.

My mistake really, as I always fall for the part where I assume people will read the OP before commenting.

I also agree with your reasoning to a point.  I will say, that if a majority of the multiplats going forward have very minimal differences, even the "buy it on PS4 anyway" really won't matter.  It seems that in reality, while playing these games, that most people would not be able to perceive the differences.  Yes, they are more obvious when looking at screenshots or the comparison videos.  But, if you are playing the game, they are truely imperceptible.  Sure, there were a couple of games at launch that were way more obvious due to the much larger gap.  But, that seems to be dissipating on the multi plats. 

Time will tell of course.


Again, it doesn't matter how little the difference is.... If that is the only thing left to sway you either way then it would make absolutely no sense choosing the one that is minimally worse. It's like saying that hey, I can direct deposit $60 into your account right now, or I can deposit $61, your choice. Is that $1 going to make a difference in your life? Probably not. If someone was subjectively looking at your life, would they notice the difference in your choices because you got that extra $1? Again, probably not. But still if you had the choice, and the only difference is that one will give you that extra dollar, then, there is no reason to choose the $60 deposit.

You are basically saying that since the extra $1 isn't really that much in the scheme of things, it doesn't really matter, and it really shouldn't sway your opinion either way. That makes no sense at all.



cpg716 on 07 August 2014
eva01beserk said:
Mr Puggsly said:
The PS4 version have more visual polish and/or better frame rates.

However, its not the world of difference some people make it seem like. This isn't PS2 graphics vs Xbox graphics.

The average person won't see the differences and X1 games are becoming more polished. Destiny is proof of that.

Wrong, bungi decided to reach for parity, wich means they decided to work harder on the x1 version and not the ps4. Right now it might seem worth it cuz even if the ps4 is selling more copies of a multyplat its not that much. But that will change in the future as the intall base for the ps4 is now twice the x1's, and is increasing. WHen the ps4 is 3:1 x1, devs wont care for parity and they will push harder for the ps4.

Would you stop with this..  Because it simply isn't true.. Want to know why????  Because up until just a few months ago the X1 version of Destiny WAS going to be released at 900p/30GFPS..    We know this to be 100% FACT, and even saw this with the BETA still being just 900p.

IF Bungie had been going for "parity" with Destiny they would have pulled the PS4 version down to 900p.  BUT NOPE. The PS4 version was ALWAYS set to be released at 1080p. 

So really this just proves your "Bungie reached for parity" that you keep repeating to be false. With the adjustments Microsoft made with the SDK it allowed the X1 to be brought to "parity" at the last minute. This was NOT the original plan. There would have been NO parity, and proves they did not "work harder" on the X1 version. 



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PS4: 85-95m
X1: 55-65m
WiiU: 20-30m

taggartaa on 07 August 2014
dangerguy said:
Danman27 said:
 

I know. I'm tired of this defense of the xbox one. Just because you can't tell the difference (which I really find hard to believe honestly) doesn't make it not better. It's because fans of xbox don't want to acknowledge that they are buying an infererior product. At this point, there's no real objective argument against the ps4 vs the xbox one. The only real defense of the xbox one now is that you like the exclusives more. And they annoying part about this defense is that people always treat it likes their opinion is the only correct one. If someone would rather play halo than uncharted, whatever, it's their choice. But what annoys me is that many people treat this situation like they like Halo more because it's just flat out better. 

So I have a serious question for you. Last gen (PS3 vs Xbox 360), which was the "inferior" product?

In terms of multiplats, the PS3. Now I have a question for you, do you agree?



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jnemesh on 07 August 2014
cpg716 said:
eva01beserk said:
Mr Puggsly said:
The PS4 version have more visual polish and/or better frame rates.

However, its not the world of difference some people make it seem like. This isn't PS2 graphics vs Xbox graphics.

The average person won't see the differences and X1 games are becoming more polished. Destiny is proof of that.

Wrong, bungi decided to reach for parity, wich means they decided to work harder on the x1 version and not the ps4. Right now it might seem worth it cuz even if the ps4 is selling more copies of a multyplat its not that much. But that will change in the future as the intall base for the ps4 is now twice the x1's, and is increasing. WHen the ps4 is 3:1 x1, devs wont care for parity and they will push harder for the ps4.

Would you stop with this..  Because it simply isn't true.. Want to know why????  Because up until just a few months ago the X1 version of Destiny WAS going to be released at 900p/30GFPS..    We know this to be 100% FACT, and even saw this with the BETA still being just 900p.

IF Bungie had been going for "parity" with Destiny they would have pulled the PS4 version down to 900p.  BUT NOPE. The PS4 version was ALWAYS set to be released at 1080p. 

So really this just proves your "Bungie reached for parity" that you keep repeating to be false. With the adjustments Microsoft made with the SDK it allowed the X1 to be brought to "parity" at the last minute. This was NOT the original plan. There would have been NO parity, and proves they did not "work harder" on the X1 version. 


Actually, I believe you are wrong there.  The XB1 version will have lower shadow detail and other graphical tweaks that lower the amount of processing power required...so they can hit 1080p/30.

Sorry, but you don't make up for a 50% difference in HARDWARE power with a few SDK tweaks.  Something had to give for them to increase the resolution...and you will see this when the final game hits.



eva01beserk on 07 August 2014
jnemesh said:
cpg716 said:
eva01beserk said:

Wrong, bungi decided to reach for parity, wich means they decided to work harder on the x1 version and not the ps4. Right now it might seem worth it cuz even if the ps4 is selling more copies of a multyplat its not that much. But that will change in the future as the intall base for the ps4 is now twice the x1's, and is increasing. WHen the ps4 is 3:1 x1, devs wont care for parity and they will push harder for the ps4.

Would you stop with this..  Because it simply isn't true.. Want to know why????  Because up until just a few months ago the X1 version of Destiny WAS going to be released at 900p/30GFPS..    We know this to be 100% FACT, and even saw this with the BETA still being just 900p.

IF Bungie had been going for "parity" with Destiny they would have pulled the PS4 version down to 900p.  BUT NOPE. The PS4 version was ALWAYS set to be released at 1080p. 

So really this just proves your "Bungie reached for parity" that you keep repeating to be false. With the adjustments Microsoft made with the SDK it allowed the X1 to be brought to "parity" at the last minute. This was NOT the original plan. There would have been NO parity, and proves they did not "work harder" on the X1 version. 


Actually, I believe you are wrong there.  The XB1 version will have lower shadow detail and other graphical tweaks that lower the amount of processing power required...so they can hit 1080p/30.

Sorry, but you don't make up for a 50% difference in HARDWARE power with a few SDK tweaks.  Something had to give for them to increase the resolution...and you will see this when the final game hits.

Also I never stated that they would gimpe the ps4 version to achive parity. All I said is that they chosed to work harder on the x1 version to achive parity, time that could have also been used to make the ps4 version just that much better. And also any improvements the x1 can handle, dont you think that a 50% stronger console could have handlet it and possibly more? So again they chosed to improve the x1 more because it was inferior.



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jnemesh on 07 August 2014

agreed.  Destiny (the Beta anyway) was a very fun, enjoyable game...and I am going to purchase it for my PS4...but it's FAR from being a "showcase" title for graphics.  The graphics were good, and servicable...but they were not really pushing what can be done with the PS4 hardware.



cpg716 on 07 August 2014
jnemesh said:
cpg716 said:
eva01beserk said:
Mr Puggsly said:
The PS4 version have more visual polish and/or better frame rates.

However, its not the world of difference some people make it seem like. This isn't PS2 graphics vs Xbox graphics.

The average person won't see the differences and X1 games are becoming more polished. Destiny is proof of that.

Wrong, bungi decided to reach for parity, wich means they decided to work harder on the x1 version and not the ps4. Right now it might seem worth it cuz even if the ps4 is selling more copies of a multyplat its not that much. But that will change in the future as the intall base for the ps4 is now twice the x1's, and is increasing. WHen the ps4 is 3:1 x1, devs wont care for parity and they will push harder for the ps4.

Would you stop with this..  Because it simply isn't true.. Want to know why????  Because up until just a few months ago the X1 version of Destiny WAS going to be released at 900p/30GFPS..    We know this to be 100% FACT, and even saw this with the BETA still being just 900p.

IF Bungie had been going for "parity" with Destiny they would have pulled the PS4 version down to 900p.  BUT NOPE. The PS4 version was ALWAYS set to be released at 1080p. 

So really this just proves your "Bungie reached for parity" that you keep repeating to be false. With the adjustments Microsoft made with the SDK it allowed the X1 to be brought to "parity" at the last minute. This was NOT the original plan. There would have been NO parity, and proves they did not "work harder" on the X1 version. 


Actually, I believe you are wrong there.  The XB1 version will have lower shadow detail and other graphical tweaks that lower the amount of processing power required...so they can hit 1080p/30.  

Sorry, but you don't make up for a 50% difference in HARDWARE power with a few SDK tweaks.  Something had to give for them to increase the resolution...and you will see this when the final game hits.

Wrong where?  My point was that X1 version was NOT made to be in "parity" with the PS4 version.  That is the reason I used quotes around parity after talking about the SDK.  I never said anything about the SDK making the X1 match the PS4 in any sort of way besides it hitting 1080p.. Had nothing to do with what I was talking about. The 1080p ability was a last minute change because of the SDK.. that was all I said.

Point.. The PS4 was NOT hampered in any way to have "PARITY" with the X1 version as eva01beserk keeps saying.. over and over.. 



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Predictions on 12/01/15 - Generation 8 Totals:

PS4: 85-95m
X1: 55-65m
WiiU: 20-30m

jnemesh on 07 August 2014
taggartaa said:
dangerguy said:
Danman27 said:
 

I know. I'm tired of this defense of the xbox one. Just because you can't tell the difference (which I really find hard to believe honestly) doesn't make it not better. It's because fans of xbox don't want to acknowledge that they are buying an infererior product. At this point, there's no real objective argument against the ps4 vs the xbox one. The only real defense of the xbox one now is that you like the exclusives more. And they annoying part about this defense is that people always treat it likes their opinion is the only correct one. If someone would rather play halo than uncharted, whatever, it's their choice. But what annoys me is that many people treat this situation like they like Halo more because it's just flat out better. 

So I have a serious question for you. Last gen (PS3 vs Xbox 360), which was the "inferior" product?

In terms of multiplats, the PS3. Now I have a question for you, do you agree?

The PS3 had a couple of HUGE issues last gen.  I felt that it was a FAR better built console, and it had Blu-ray going for it...but it lacked cross-game chat, a robust infrastructure for multiplayer and it was VERY difficult for developers to program for.  That being said...the EXCLUSIVE titles for PS3 late in the gen were OUTSTANDING, and easily beat the best that the 360 could do.

This gen, the PS4 is easier to develop for,has better hardware, has multiplayer infrastructure robust enough to compete, AND it has the chat features they were missing last gen.  PLUS they have better sharing and streaming options.

It's a whole different ballgame this gen.