847k november

2046,5k december

so the xbox one has to sell less than inital launch holiday to be below secold holiday 360 sales

XB1 will beat that. so maybe next year it will fall behind the 360. 

third year are nearly the same

3175k for november + december

x360 sky rocked in its fourth holiday (2008)

1738,5k november

3305k december

http://www.vgchartz.com/tools/hw_yoy.php?reg=Global&start_year=2005&end_year=2009&console=X360

thats the point, where the xb1 will fall behind if no miracle will happen

I don't think it'll be until at least next year. The lead is over 1 million still and 360 at the same point is not that far ahead. I doubt Xb one will outsell 360's 2nd holiday, but it won't be far behind either. 360 only really started doing well in Sept 2007, So it will be around this time next year that we'll see whether Xb one can kick it up a notch.

It's been loosing ground and struggling to keep up with the Wii U.

I would say very soon so September-October.

This. The gap will increase in September and that will easily hold till far in 2015 at the very least.

20k extra in Europe for September seems reasonable to me, given the baseline sales there being terrible for it. I don't see it changing much.

On-topic: It will happen early or mid next year I think. Unless MS cuts the price again or something.

Are you missing a zero? 20.000? or did you mean per week?
even the 360 had a first week of ~50.000 in japan..  looking at the Tier 2 countries there should be at least a 200.000  boost first week
We in europe get a Fifa 15 and Forza 5 bundle..

• Argentina
• Belgium
• Chile
• Colombia
• Czech Republic
• Denmark
• Finland
• Greece
• Hungary
• India
• Israel
• Japan
• Korea
• Netherlands
• Norway
• Poland
• Portugal
• Russia
• Saudi Arabia
• Singapore
• Slovakia
• South Africa
• Sweden
• Switzerland
• Turkey
• UAE

The second list of European countries and especially Japan are not going to make that much of a difference. At least here, nobody cares about the Xbox One anymore. It's all PS4. They're all small markets for XBox anyway. I say the release in all the other countries combined will only raise it's weekly baseline by a couple k's. Not enough to beat the 360's respective weekly sales on a regular, let alone permanent basis. Of course there's the launch itself, which maybe gives it a 100k boost that week.

I think the XBox One isn't going to beat what the 360 did in it's first non-launch holiday. However, it also won't be a million less than that so I'd say the XBox One will be able to hold it's lead it got last year until early 2015. Maybe February.

I say before the year ends the 360 will overtake it. All the games coming out at the rest of the year will only appeal to existing x1 owners and multyplats will only boost ps4, so I see nothing that will give them a big enough boost.

The only thing I see that can give them a boost is bundleling, but they got only sunset overdrive wich might appeal to consumers, outside the xbox fanbase and I dont think that will be a lot.

Prediction: It willl do much worst then the 360 second holliday, no more than 7m ltd by the end of the year.