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estebxx said:

All im going to say is that for 400 dollar im very happy with my PS4, i think the value proposition vs the price is more than good enough, it might be far away from being as powerful as most gaming PCs out there but it gets the job done.

And the amount of exclusives and Japanese games that it will get (just like any other PS console) is always a great Plus to have...


Finally someone understands the OP :)



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Kane1389 said:
UTKresh said:
Kane1389 said:

 


you boy, sound like a pretty young teenager. sorry for that.

you probably have zero knowledge about game development.
first of all, this is a cutscene, no matter if in-game or whatever. saying that, rendering cutscenes, even when rendered by the game-engine (call it in-game, in-engine or whatever you like), the render quality will always surpass the gameplay quality.
second, compare photomode of games like Forza or Gran Turismo to actual gameplay. even though you can interact in photo-mode, the render quality in such a mode is much higher. in comparison, an in-game cutscene has next to zero interaction. you do the math.

and now stop being so naive and believing every bullshit thrown at you, just because you would like it to be true. take the trailer for what it is. a beautiful cutscene.


I dont know why is upsetting you so much that you have to throw provocations and slurs at me. I am guessing your master race ego is being threatend.

There is a difference between  pre render cutscenes that are in-engine (like naughty dog games on PS3) and in-game cutscenes like this one is (according to ND). Meaning that the character model wont change during a cutscene or gameplay, it will look exactly the same. Naughty Dog already achieved this on TLOU:R where character models look exactly the same during gameplay as they do during a cutscene


I did not insult you. you probably are a teenager (which is not an insult anyway. be happy that you are young). Arguing with you makes little sense nonetheless. You don´t even know the basics of level of detail. Even the in-game character model is never the same but changes when being farther away from the camera. and with changing i don´t only mean the poly-model, but also textures and to some degree even model-illumination (for example disabling subsurface-scattering effects).

the character model shown in the UC4 trailer has certenly > 1 mil polys. probably even > 5 mil. if you believe your in-game player model will have anything > 1 mil polys you will certenly be disappointed.

nonetheless the game is probably going to look great anyway. just don´t be brainwashed that easily by pr-bullshit ok.



Im pretty sure...

Uncharted 4 will look better than the PC Version(there is none)
Halo 5 will look better than the PC Version
Smash Bros will look better than the PC Version

But those are exclusives - They dont count!!

3rd Party?
Im pretty sure that..

Final Fantasy 15 will look better on consoles than on PC(there won't be a PC Version)
Kingdom Hearts 3 will look better on consoles than on PC (same as above)
Fifa15 will be better on consoles than on PC (cause the PC Version is always 1 year behind )
Destiny will be better on consoles than on PC (if one comes its at a time it won't matter anymore LOL@Late port)

Get it?
Console gaming will always be superior to PC Gaming
Why?Just cause you get the AAA Games on a regular basis.
Console gets every 3rd Party game - Sometimes they are exclusive to one console but most of the time they are Multi.But what do they most of the time skip?Yes,exactly > The PC
I wouldn't be happy with missing 8/10 3rd Party Games getting released - And then 2 get a release for PC like AC Unity and Far Cry 4 for example....but they get outsourced to some people in a War.
The good team working on consoles and probably being able to get insane quality out of PC doesn't even get bothered working on them.They outsource their games to some guys in the Ukraine.
And in the end you need probably unnecessary powerful hardware cause they can't optimize the game or simply don't have the budget/time to do so.Cause they are just there to create a quick port no one cares for.

Im pretty sure we wouldn't find a use for the upcoming 800 Series or some 1000$ Cards if developers would bother to optimize the last % out of PC games.
But why should they?Games get bought on Consoles for full price and not on PC.At least not in the same dimensions.While a game sells Million Units on Console day 1 it maybe never will on PC...before it drops to 5$ in a Steam Sale.This is motivation for publishers and developers.

The quality of console Gaming is far superior to PC currently.
You have a far bigger library of high quality gaming and that is pretty much fact.
1st Party depending on your console of choice is mostly great and high quality
Many 2nd and 3rd Party Developers get high Budgets to create new AAA Games for Consoles all the time.
Upcoming Destiny the best example.

But what do i see on Steam if i open it right now
The Legend of Heroes...A port from a 2004 released PSP Game i think.
Tons of Early Access Games in the last few months i always look at...Most of them won't get finished in the next few years.Crypt of the Necrodancer,Firefall,The Forest,Unturned,Archage...WTF is this?
And wow seeing right now Far Cry 4 costs 60€ on Steam...A pretty sure bad PC port 60€?Can promise you this will be 10$ at Holiday Steam Sale.
Only good PC game someone with only a console could be jelly of is probably Divinity.This game is quality.

Outside of Steam you don't have that much either.
Blizzard is messing up on every corner...Hearhtstone is garbage.WoW Addon will be even more casual probably.Wildstar was to hardcore even for the Hardcore people of WoW Classic.Reaper of Souls is garbage and hopefully 2.1 will bring something to the table(pray to god)
Then you have that MOBA garbage on every corner currently...

Sorry i rather play The Last of Us,Destiny,Halo MCC,DriveClub,SmashBros and other things that the PC won't even have the option to get in this year even if your PC did cost 50000$ and could destroy the Sun.
And im pretty sure a 400$ PC won't be able to run a poorly ported AC Unity and FarCry 4 on the same quality level as a optimized PS4 Version.

All the power of the world doesn't matter if Developers and more important the Publishers give you the finger most of the time.
Console gaming has the far better overall package of available High Quality gaming.
Im pretty sure those 10$ Early Access/Indie/Kickstarter Games are fun....but more than Destiny,PS4/One/WiiU 1st,2nd,3rd Party Exclusives?Yeeeah probably not

Oh and here it comes
If i could get ALL those games properly ported on PC...even the PS,Xbox and Nintendo things i would say goodbye to console gaming.
I love to play on PC as long as there are properly done games.I have a PC with 2x 780Ti and other parts that fit to that but for what?
Consoles could die if i would get all of that on PC cause of the sheer possibilities...But this won't happen.
I have currently a Monster PC to play Diablo 3 2.1 PTR...My toaster could do that.
I don't care for Modding Skyrim for the majority of my gaming time.This game is and will never be fun no matter how much you mod it.
I really prefer PCs but the quality is on consoles.This is a fact.



MasterRaceJoke said:

Im pretty sure...

Uncharted 4 will look better than the PC Version(there is none)
Halo 5 will look better than the PC Version
Smash Bros will look better than the PC Version

But those are exclusives - They dont count!!

3rd Party?
Im pretty sure that..

Final Fantasy 15 will look better on consoles than on PC(there won't be a PC Version)
Kingdom Hearts 3 will look better on consoles than on PC (same as above)
Fifa15 will be better on consoles than on PC (cause the PC Version is always 1 year behind )
Destiny will be better on consoles than on PC (if one comes its at a time it won't matter anymore LOL@Late port)

Get it?
Console gaming will always be superior to PC Gaming
Why?Just cause you get the AAA Games on a regular basis.
Console gets every 3rd Party game - Sometimes they are exclusive to one console but most of the time they are Multi.But what do they most of the time skip?Yes,exactly > The PC
I wouldn't be happy with missing 8/10 3rd Party Games getting released - And then 2 get a release for PC like AC Unity and Far Cry 4 for example....but they get outsourced to some people in a War.
The good team working on consoles and probably being able to get insane quality out of PC doesn't even get bothered working on them.They outsource their games to some guys in the Ukraine.
And in the end you need probably unnecessary powerful hardware cause they can't optimize the game or simply don't have the budget/time to do so.Cause they are just there to create a quick port no one cares for.

Im pretty sure we wouldn't find a use for the upcoming 800 Series or some 1000$ Cards if developers would bother to optimize the last % out of PC games.
But why should they?Games get bought on Consoles for full price and not on PC.At least not in the same dimensions.While a game sells Million Units on Console day 1 it maybe never will on PC...before it drops to 5$ in a Steam Sale.This is motivation for publishers and developers.

The quality of console Gaming is far superior to PC currently.
You have a far bigger library of high quality gaming and that is pretty much fact.
1st Party depending on your console of choice is mostly great and high quality
Many 2nd and 3rd Party Developers get high Budgets to create new AAA Games for Consoles all the time.
Upcoming Destiny the best example.

But what do i see on Steam if i open it right now
The Legend of Heroes...A port from a 2004 released PSP Game i think.
Tons of Early Access Games in the last few months i always look at...Most of them won't get finished in the next few years.Crypt of the Necrodancer,Firefall,The Forest,Unturned,Archage...WTF is this?
And wow seeing right now Far Cry 4 costs 60€ on Steam...A pretty sure bad PC port 60€?Can promise you this will be 10$ at Holiday Steam Sale.
Only good PC game someone with only a console could be jelly of is probably Divinity.This game is quality.

Outside of Steam you don't have that much either.
Blizzard is messing up on every corner...Hearhtstone is garbage.WoW Addon will be even more casual probably.Wildstar was to hardcore even for the Hardcore people of WoW Classic.Reaper of Souls is garbage and hopefully 2.1 will bring something to the table(pray to god)
Then you have that MOBA garbage on every corner currently...

Sorry i rather play The Last of Us,Destiny,Halo MCC,DriveClub,SmashBros and other things that the PC won't even have the option to get in this year even if your PC did cost 50000$ and could destroy the Sun.
And im pretty sure a 400$ PC won't be able to run a poorly ported AC Unity and FarCry 4 on the same quality level as a optimized PS4 Version.

All the power of the world doesn't matter if Developers and more important the Publishers give you the finger most of the time.
Console gaming has the far better overall package of available High Quality gaming.
Im pretty sure those 10$ Early Access/Indie/Kickstarter Games are fun....but more than Destiny,PS4/One/WiiU 1st,2nd,3rd Party Exclusives?Yeeeah probably not

Oh and here it comes
If i could get ALL those games properly ported on PC...even the PS,Xbox and Nintendo things i would say goodbye to console gaming.
I love to play on PC as long as there are properly done games.I have a PC with 2x 780Ti and other parts that fit to that but for what?
Consoles could die if i would get all of that on PC cause of the sheer possibilities...But this won't happen.
I have currently a Monster PC to play Diablo 3 2.1 PTR...My toaster could do that.
I don't care for Modding Skyrim for the majority of my gaming time.This game is and will never be fun no matter how much you mod it.
I really prefer PCs but the quality is on consoles.This is a fact.

I don't think you get the thread at all.



What I got from the OP: buy consoles for their games, not their graphics. Which seems logical, imo.



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Cheebee said:
What I got from the OP: buy consoles for their games, not their graphics. Which seems logical, imo.

Why not both?



UTKresh said:

I did not insult you. you probably are a teenager (which is not an insult anyway. be happy that you are young). Arguing with you makes little sense nonetheless. You don´t even know the basics of level of detail. Even the in-game character model is never the same but changes when being farther away from the camera. and with changing i don´t only mean the poly-model, but also textures and to some degree even model-illumination (for example disabling subsurface-scattering effects).

the character model shown in the UC4 trailer has certenly > 1 mil polys. probably even > 5 mil. if you believe your in-game player model will have anything > 1 mil polys you will certenly be disappointed.

nonetheless the game is probably going to look great anyway. just don´t be brainwashed that easily by pr-bullshit ok.

YOu are basing your arguments on assuptions whereas I am giving you clear examples from the developer's work and their qoutes as well. ND already achieved what I am talking about in TLOU:R and they said Drake's model will have about 2 times more polygons than Joel's model

This is a completly in-game screenshot of Joel in the area with shit ton of other people. It was made by a user on NeoGaf. Now please show me the noticeable differences between cutscene model Joel and this one here. Only then will I take your point seriously



This guy is just a jerk, starting with his 720p comment to the comment about Ubisoft, you know exactly what is coming after...
Yah PC is better, we're getting it now this guy have no clues about the ideas being consoles and why they are aging so well compared to a PC...

Not sure if this thread was needed; just another PC > Consoles thread.



Imaginedvl said:

This guy is just a jerk, starting with his 720p comment to the comment about Ubisoft, you know exactly what is coming after...
Yah PC is better, we're getting it now this guy have no clues about the ideas being consoles and why they are aging so well compared to a PC...

Not sure if this thread was needed; just another PC > Consoles thread.

As opposed to the tons of Consoles > PC  or Console 1 > Console 2 threads we get?

The OP was just pointing out that the current consoles are already woefully overshadowed by gaming PCs. It could have been done nicer, but it's the cold, hard truth.

And the consoles haven't "aged" at all, since they are not even a year old. 



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Xbox One - PS4 - Wii U - PC

amak11 said:
SubiyaCryolite said:

I dont think the PS4 or XBox One are super powerful or anything but a truly accurate representation of the systems should always be given, nothing taken away or added. I dont think the Wii U is trash but I dont hype it up to be something its not either. On any scale it would always lean closer to the XBox 360 than to the XBox One (Usable RAM, GPU power, CPU cores, CPU threads, Memory Bandwidth).


This is why there is a huge descrepency  in my numbers. The difference between my numbers and the actual numbers is that they scale better. The actual difference is pretty huge. You are trying to find an argument in something that isn't here. What's the difference between 700 and 500? Let's just add more consoles to the mix since I did put PS3 at 400 and 360 at 450 and Wii at 350. This puts the PS2 at 200, Gamecube at 275, and Xbox at 300 , Dreamcast at 150. Let's go back another generation. PS1 at sub 100 and N64 at sub 100.  

This is what I mean when my numbers scale better. They factor in every damn console I can think of and what their graphical abilities were. There is a significant difference between where the Wii U sits at and the PS4 and One sit at and it's smaller numbers to look at. No shmuck off the street is going to look at 1386 and 386 and this is bigger than the other. They'll mostly be confused and this is where marketing comes in to explain the numbers in a way that shmuck can understand


Your scale is really bizarre... so going by your table PS4 would be more or less 8 times stronger than PS1, not 8 times stronger than PS3? Care to explain how you came to this conclusion?



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