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PS4 & Xbone are both essentially mid range PCs. Wii U has a exotic and different hardware. I think the rant is not about the delay but the dumb twitter comment from one slightly mad employee.



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amak11 said:

See, you're gettin mad here because I'm providing reasons that counter your own. It's idiotic to compare the PS4 indie to the PC indie market (See I can do it too), but the PS4 indie scene compared to the Wii U's is pretty pathetic.

14 good rated indies on PS4: flower, Fez, Guacamelee, TowerFall Ascension, Sound Shapes, Resogun, Trine 2, Transistor, The Pinball Arcade, PixelJunk Shooter Ultimate, Sportsfriends, SteamWorld Dig, ZEN Pinball 2, Star Wars Pinball

9 good rated indies on Wii U: Shovel Knight, Trine 2, Mutant Mudds Deluxe, BitTrip Runner 2, Star Wars Pinball, CastleStorm, 1001 Spikes, Mighty Switch Force, Stick it to the Man!

And the Wii U launched 12 months earlier.



Conina said:
amak11 said:

See, you're gettin mad here because I'm providing reasons that counter your own. It's idiotic to compare the PS4 indie to the PC indie market (See I can do it too), but the PS4 indie scene compared to the Wii U's is pretty pathetic.

14 good rated indies on PS4: flower, Fez, Guacamelee, TowerFall Ascension, Sound Shapes, Resogun, Trine 2, Transistor, The Pinball Arcade, PixelJunk Shooter Ultimate, Sportsfriends, SteamWorld Dig, ZEN Pinball 2, Star Wars Pinball

9 good rated indies on Wii U: Shovel Knight, Trine 2, Mutant Mudds Deluxe, BitTrip Runner 2, Star Wars Pinball, CastleStorm, 1001 Spikes, Mighty Switch Force, Stick it to the Man!

And the Wii U launched 12 months earlier.

  If you get all indies with a score above 70 (which is considered a good rate), the wii u has a lot more games than ps4, i would like to make a correction: " but the PS4 score rating scene compared to the Wii U's is pretty pathetic." , i've checked the metacritic, and ps4 games score rating sucks, they need to work in bring more quality to their console, because atm, only indies are doing the job right.



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Conina said:
amak11 said:

See, you're gettin mad here because I'm providing reasons that counter your own. It's idiotic to compare the PS4 indie to the PC indie market (See I can do it too), but the PS4 indie scene compared to the Wii U's is pretty pathetic.

14 good rated indies on PS4: flower, Fez, Guacamelee, TowerFall Ascension, Sound Shapes, Resogun, Trine 2, Transistor, The Pinball Arcade, PixelJunk Shooter Ultimate, Sportsfriends, SteamWorld Dig, ZEN Pinball 2, Star Wars Pinball

9 good rated indies on Wii U: Shovel Knight, Trine 2, Mutant Mudds Deluxe, BitTrip Runner 2, Star Wars Pinball, CastleStorm, 1001 Spikes, Mighty Switch Force, Stick it to the Man!

And the Wii U launched 12 months earlier.

Christ man, you don't just give up? 

Flower does NOT count.

lets move around highly rated indie titles. 

"16 good rated indies on PS4:  Fez, Guacamelee, TowerFall Ascension, Sound Shapes, Resogun, Trine 2, Transistor, The Pinball Arcade, PixelJunk Shooter Ultimate, Sportsfriends, SteamWorld Dig, ZEN Pinball 2, Star Wars Pinball, Another World - 20th Anniversary, 1001 Spikes 

17 good rated indies on Wii U: Shovel Knight, Trine 2, Mutant Mudds Deluxe, BitTrip Runner 2, Star Wars Pinball, CastleStorm, 1001 Spikes, Mighty Switch Force, Stick it to the Man!, ZEN Pinball 2, Guacamelee, Another World - 20th Anniversary, Armillo, 1001 Spikes, Bombing Bastards, Cloudberry Kingdom, Unepic, Ittle Dew, Nano Assult Neo

The selection the Wii U just seems a bit more varied. Pixeljunk is practially PS exclusive. Not to mention, AVGN game is coming to the Wii U and 3DS very soon. 



amak11 said:
DerNebel said:

Aaah the excuses start again, of course. So you're going to basically tell me that every Wii U owners is constantly on the internet and knows about every little detail missing from the Wii U version of one of their games. Also explain Injustice: Gods Among Us, if you will.

The Wii U might have a thriving indie scene, but it's completely idiotic to suggest that it's more thriving than the PS4s indie scene, seriously.

So explain to me, why would people care, if a game is out late on their console, if they only play on that one console anyway? Do you seriously believe that the normal customer gives a flying fuck about that? If you only own one system to game on then you'll get a game that you want, when it's out and don't give a damn about where the game was on first. This whole notion that Wii U third party games sell worse because a bit of content is missing ,is complete bollocks, cause it suggests that the crushing majority of Wii U owners know about all that little stuff, the way more likely situation is that Wii U owners simply don't care about non Nintendo games on their Wii U, for whatever reason.

See, you're gettin mad here because I'm providing reasons that counter your own. It's idiotic to compare the PS4 indie to the PC indie market (See I can do it too), but the PS4 indie scene compared to the Wii U's is pretty pathetic. Gods Amoung Us was a piss poor port, like every other title.

Sniper Elite V2 - no multiplayer/DLC

CoD - No DLC

ACIV - no DLC

These are some examples

 The problem with third party on the Wii U is the games are not complete. Many Wii U owners would tell you if the titles were complete they would have bought in to it on that platform. This is not even Nintendo's fault now. It's entirely on third party publishers, Ubisoft, Activision, EA, Deep Silver, Zenimax, Warner Bros. If you release half a game at full price and expect Wii U owners to buy that game, you're asking for low sales. This isn't just Nintendo's investment, this is their investment too and it's extremely obvious you do not own a Wii U. You can have no opinion on a console you don't own. I can talk smack about the PS4 because I have full access to one in my house, I'm not saying anything about the Xbox One. Try being the owner of one, when third party decides that 60 dollars for a game that will not have DLC support and/or missing features on your platform is a good price to justify charging 

Wii U owners have the right to be angry about this. If I had to compare this to any event in history. I would compare this to the segreation issues the US had many decades ago. Nintendo is the minority, owners of this platform have a voice. It's not being heard and frankly it should be. We as gamers should be standing up for the Wii U, telling publishers that equality in gaming needs to exist for the little guy too. No i don't mean racial issues, I mean game equality. If you are advertising features that the Wii U can entirely handle, and in most cases handle better than everything in the 7th generation, and not include them you're just pathetic. The voice of the gamers is the wallets. We should be standing up for this travesty on all platforms.  

I'm getting "mad" because you're falling in the typical scheme of Nintendo fans trying to defend the horrible performance of third party games on the Wii U by blaming it all on some missing content or the lateness of some port, which is quite frankly absolutely hilarious. Also your whole "the PS4s indie scene is pathetic compared to the Wii Us" comment, is total bullshit, the PS4 has almost complete indie support, you constantly hear about new indie games hitting the console, to call the PS4s indie support pathetic, compared to anything but the PC, is laughable.

But back to the whole third party thing, you can count as many games with little missing things as you want, your argument is still ridiculously weak, are you seriously going to tell me that there are hundreds of thousand if not millions of Wii U owners that actually want to buy those games but don't, because they are missing some DLC? Give me a fucking break. The amount of people that know about this shit and actually let it influence their buying decision are maybe a couple 10k at best (your Injustice excuse was pathetic btw). People don't care about your CoDs, ACs and most of your teen/adult oriented non-Nintendo games on Nintendo consoles, simple as that.

To blame some missing content for the bad performance of those games is coloring the general customer as way more informed as they actually are, the normal customer does not know that CoD on Wii U doesn't get DLC, the normal customer knows that the Wii U is a Nintendo machine where he can get his/her favourite Nintendo games and that's what he owns the fucking thing for. If you care for all those third party games then your first choice would never be the Nintendo system, cause the PS and Xbox systems have been extremely well established as the platforms to game on, if you want those games. Nintendo has, with it's half arsed approach to third party relations done basically nothing to really be able to change that perception for the Wii U.



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amak11 said:

Christ man, you don't just give up? 

Flower does NOT count.

lets move around highly rated indie titles. 

"16 good rated indies on PS4:  Fez, Guacamelee, TowerFall Ascension, Sound Shapes, Resogun, Trine 2, Transistor, The Pinball Arcade, PixelJunk Shooter Ultimate, Sportsfriends, SteamWorld Dig, ZEN Pinball 2, Star Wars Pinball, Another World - 20th Anniversary, 1001 Spikes 

17 good rated indies on Wii U: Shovel Knight, Trine 2, Mutant Mudds Deluxe, BitTrip Runner 2, Star Wars Pinball, CastleStorm, 1001 Spikes, Mighty Switch Force, Stick it to the Man!, ZEN Pinball 2, Guacamelee, Another World - 20th Anniversary, Armillo, 1001 Spikes, Bombing Bastards, Cloudberry Kingdom, Unepic, Ittle Dew, Nano Assult Neo

The selection the Wii U just seems a bit more varied. Pixeljunk is practially PS exclusive. Not to mention, AVGN game is coming to the Wii U and 3DS very soon. 

So you go down to 71 MetaScore for Wii U (Unepic, Armillo, Nano Assault Neo) but leave out several PS4 titles with higher ratings? Don't Starve (78), Outlast (78), Strider (77), Stick it to the Man (75), Dead Nation (74), Awesomenauts Assemble (74), MouseCraft (72)... yeah, that seems unbiased!

But whatever, we could argue the whole day which of these games still count as "good" and which not. Even if it were 17 good indies for Wii U (after 20 months!) and only 16 for PS4 (after 8 months!)... that difference of one game is "pathetic"?

By the way, most of the indie titles that are on the Wii U but aren't on the PS4 can be found on the PS3 and/or Vita... if more of them would be also released on the PS4, the PS haters would use that as another argument against the Playstation brand (only ports!).



I'm just going to take the mature route and stop, between you and Corina you have no idea what you're talking about. Defending a console that has faults (the PS4) is just stupid. I defend the Wii U on the fact it can do more than what people love to claim (and as a programmer and PC builder, knowing what the Wii U can do helps). Sony took MS route and decided to be controlled by third party. For a company that it's own fanboys claim is "for the gamer" it's recent decisions are completely asinine. I'll enjoy my third party on my PC, but i'll be picking up third party on my Wii U as well. If I ever get a PS4, it better be 200 dollars and have plenty of exclusives because I refuse to buy another third party title on a platform that changed it's own philosophy on a dime. 



amak11 said:

I'm just going to take the mature route and stop, between you and Corina you have no idea what you're talking about. Defending a console that has faults (the PS4) is just stupid. I defend the Wii U on the fact it can do more than what people love to claim (and as a programmer and PC builder, knowing what the Wii U can do helps). Sony took MS route and decided to be controlled by third party. For a company that it's own fanboys claim is "for the gamer" it's recent decisions are completely asinine. I'll enjoy my third party on my PC, but i'll be picking up third party on my Wii U as well. If I ever get a PS4, it better be 200 dollars and have plenty of exclusives because I refuse to buy another third party title on a platform that changed it's own philosophy on a dime. 


I didn't realize the mature way was dropping a self-indulgent rant on how great your opinion is while everyone else's is wrong and stupid.  I bet your shit smells like roses.



amak11 said:

I'm just going to take the mature route and stop, between you and Corina you have no idea what you're talking about. Defending a console that has faults (the PS4) is just stupid. I defend the Wii U on the fact it can do more than what people love to claim (and as a programmer and PC builder, knowing what the Wii U can do helps). Sony took MS route and decided to be controlled by third party. For a company that it's own fanboys claim is "for the gamer" it's recent decisions are completely asinine. I'll enjoy my third party on my PC, but i'll be picking up third party on my Wii U as well. If I ever get a PS4, it better be 200 dollars and have plenty of exclusives because I refuse to buy another third party title on a platform that changed it's own philosophy on a dime. 

LOL you cant leave without explaining this epic rant. WTH are you even on about?



Go read for yourself. 

Besides, the last thing I want is the three of us who were involved to get moderated. So I suggest you do as the othe two did and just ignore the last post.