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Zod95 said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

Well direct all of this to that one person who said the XB1 only has western games lol. But seriously if both A and B are about the same thing for the same price then it boils down to what A and B are not emotions. And who is to say that someone didn't compare A and B before hand? If A and B are gaming consoles it boils down to which one you prefer and which one looks to have more of what you are interested in. In this case "games" if you will. Now I personally thought it was a good ad just not enough Japanese games. The 360 didn't do that hot and it had quite a few Japanese games on it...even more so than the PS3 at one time if I am not mistaken. And it didn't take off at all really. This ad wwhile nice doesn't seen to have anything in it to appeal to the Japanese IMO.  And the culture there is quite different as well as we all know. 

Also while PS4 and the XB1 are about the same....on paper the PS4 is indeed more powerful period. And for the most part while the differences are not HUGE has gotten the better version of multiplats and some nice exclusive content deals as well. Normally if all someone was worried is graphics they COULD get a PC but then they wouldn't be able to play the games that are not on PC  and will be exclusive to the PS4 or XB1 hence the reason they are choosing between those two. 

Bottom line is when comparing the PS4/XB1 the system that has the games or even will have the games one perfers is what matters. But I also get the point you have been trying to make in this thread. 

I direct it to people that quote me and show they didn't understand my point.

You are the third guy that thought I was talking about consoles when mentioning A and B. For the third time: I was talking about games.

You think XOne is having a bad launch, X360 didn't do that hot and PS3 was even worse. Your standards for the japanese market are just too high.

I completely agree with the last 2 paragraphs.


No the XB1 had an AMAZING launch as did the PS4. But currently it is not doing hot as sales just dropped drastically and there is little to no presence for them in Europe. I have no idea what happened but I hope they pick it up soon because competition is good and they have some good exclusive games out and coming out that I want.And those are not my standards for the japanese market that is just the way they are. It sucks but it is the truth though.

And well if you were talking about games then the last 2 paragraphs of what I wrote works for me to then so we are on the same page now!



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XONE needs to to try and beat the WiiU into second somehow may aswell put up a fight in japan,it needs all the sales it can get if it doesn't want to stay in last place all gen



  

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Ucell said:
VanceIX said:

Because Japan is still a better prospect than either of those. And seeing as that the PS3 is still selling a steady amount, it's hardly dying. No one buys a PS4 there because it has absolutely no Japanese games of importance.

But appealing to Indian and Brazilian gamers is much easier to do than Japanese gamers. Gamers from both trhese countries love God Of War (one of Sony's own IP's and one which also appeals to the west), Uncharted same as God Of War), COD, GTA and AC. All they've got to do is churn out these games on a bi-annual basis and lower the cost of PS4 in these 2 countries (costs $667 in India for example) and there consoles will be a hit.

In Japan, they can't really do much. Atleast that's what it looks like, and even if they can, they'd need to invest a lot of money into Japanese focussed games which wouldn't sell well anywhere else.

Dude, I am Indian (currently living in the US). I can tell you that the vast majority of the population will never be able to afford the PS4, and those that can will probably be uninterested in gaming anyway, seeing as that it simply has never been a hobby there.

In Brazil, you'll have to get the government to lower the huge import taxes first. Until then, you're out of luck.

And tons of Japanese games sell well in the west, what are you talking about? Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Persona, Ni no Kuni, Bravely Default, Lost Odyssey, etc. all do great in the west. It's just making a game that can appeal to both and then localizing it well.



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VanceIX said:
Ucell said:
VanceIX said:

Because Japan is still a better prospect than either of those. And seeing as that the PS3 is still selling a steady amount, it's hardly dying. No one buys a PS4 there because it has absolutely no Japanese games of importance.

But appealing to Indian and Brazilian gamers is much easier to do than Japanese gamers. Gamers from both trhese countries love God Of War (one of Sony's own IP's and one which also appeals to the west), Uncharted same as God Of War), COD, GTA and AC. All they've got to do is churn out these games on a bi-annual basis and lower the cost of PS4 in these 2 countries (costs $667 in India for example) and there consoles will be a hit.

In Japan, they can't really do much. Atleast that's what it looks like, and even if they can, they'd need to invest a lot of money into Japanese focussed games which wouldn't sell well anywhere else.

Dude, I am Indian (currently living in the US). I can tell you that the vast majority of the population will never be able to afford the PS4, and those that can will probably be uninterested in gaming anyway, seeing as that it simply has never been a hobby there.

In Brazil, you'll have to get the government to lower the huge import taxes first. Until then, you're out of luck.

And tons of Japanese games sell well in the west, what are you talking about? Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Persona, Ni no Kuni, Bravely Default, Lost Odyssey, etc. all do great in the west. It's just making a game that can appeal to both and then localizing it well.

When did you last come to India? I'm presently living here and console gaming has become much much more popular here in the last few years.

PS4, despite its $667 price here and the media's general apathy towards consoles and video games, still sold out here when it launhed in January. There were some lines even during its midnight launch. I was at Citywalk Mall in New Delhi and outside a games store their there was quite a big line at midnight, both at GTA V and PS4 launch. So gaming is becoming more mainstream here.

Also apart from GT, MGS, FF and KH few Japanese games sell well in the west compared to western games. That's undeniably true.



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Ucell said:
VanceIX said:

Dude, I am Indian (currently living in the US). I can tell you that the vast majority of the population will never be able to afford the PS4, and those that can will probably be uninterested in gaming anyway, seeing as that it simply has never been a hobby there.

In Brazil, you'll have to get the government to lower the huge import taxes first. Until then, you're out of luck.

And tons of Japanese games sell well in the west, what are you talking about? Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Persona, Ni no Kuni, Bravely Default, Lost Odyssey, etc. all do great in the west. It's just making a game that can appeal to both and then localizing it well.

When did you last come to India? I'm presently living here and console gaming has become much much more popular here in the last few years.

PS4, despite its $667 price here and the media's general apathy towards consoles and video games, still sold out here when it launhed in January. There were some lines even during its midnight launch. I was at Citywalk Mall in New Delhi and outside a games store their there was quite a big line at midnight, both at GTA V and PS4 launch. So gaming is becoming more mainstream here.

Also apart from GT, MGS, FF and KH few Japanese games sell well in the west compared to western games. That's undeniably true.

I visit every other year for 2-3 months at a time.

From what I've seen, no one that I know is a console gamer. A lot of my family is fortunate enough to be mid-high social class, and none of them have consoles. Consoles are expensive, games are expensive, and on top of it all there is no guarantee that your friends will have a console too. Not to mention, outside of bigger cities like Delhi or Mumbai, you will be hard-pressed to find videogame stores. I lived in Jodphur and Jaipur and not once did I come across a place selling videogames. Most cities don't have big malls to offer consoles and games.

Also, many other games have seen large degrees of success in the west. What about Gravity Rush, Fire Emblem, Rogue Galaxy, ICO, Shadow of the Collosus, Gran Turismo, Atelier, Legend of Dragoon, Pokemon, White Knight Chronicles, Zelda, etc.? Tons of Japanese games are successful worldwide, it's the question of localizing and marketing them right. Most Japanese games these days are smaller, niche titles which are hard to localize, since the big devs have all been concentrating on the west, with no help from Sony or Nintendo.



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VanceIX said:
Ucell said:
VanceIX said:

Dude, I am Indian (currently living in the US). I can tell you that the vast majority of the population will never be able to afford the PS4, and those that can will probably be uninterested in gaming anyway, seeing as that it simply has never been a hobby there.

In Brazil, you'll have to get the government to lower the huge import taxes first. Until then, you're out of luck.

And tons of Japanese games sell well in the west, what are you talking about? Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Persona, Ni no Kuni, Bravely Default, Lost Odyssey, etc. all do great in the west. It's just making a game that can appeal to both and then localizing it well.

When did you last come to India? I'm presently living here and console gaming has become much much more popular here in the last few years.

PS4, despite its $667 price here and the media's general apathy towards consoles and video games, still sold out here when it launhed in January. There were some lines even during its midnight launch. I was at Citywalk Mall in New Delhi and outside a games store their there was quite a big line at midnight, both at GTA V and PS4 launch. So gaming is becoming more mainstream here.

Also apart from GT, MGS, FF and KH few Japanese games sell well in the west compared to western games. That's undeniably true.

I visit every other year for 2-3 months at a time.

From what I've seen, no one that I know is a console gamer. A lot of my family is fortunate enough to be mid-high social class, and none of them have consoles. Consoles are expensive, games are expensive, and on top of it all there is no guarantee that your friends will have a console too. Not to mention, outside of bigger cities like Delhi or Mumbai, you will be hard-pressed to find videogame stores. I lived in Jodphur and Jaipur and not once did I come across a place selling videogames. Most cities don't have big malls to offer consoles and games.

Also, many other games have seen large degrees of success in the west. What about Gravity Rush, Fire Emblem, Rogue Galaxy, ICO, Shadow of the Collosus, Gran Turismo, Atelier, Legend of Dragoon, Pokemon, White Knight Chronicles, Zelda, etc.? Tons of Japanese games are successful worldwide, it's the question of localizing and marketing them right. Most Japanese games these days are smaller, niche titles which are hard to localize, since the big devs have all been concentrating on the west, with no help from Sony or Nintendo.

Yeah I'd imagine gaming may be niche in smaller cities, but in large cities gaming has become quite popular. That's definitely the case in Delhi.

Now let me give you an insight into gaming in Delhi-NCR region:

Most gamers in India are PC gamers followed by PS gamers, then Xbox gamers with Nintendo barely having their presence felt here. I think though, as you said, its all down to prices. PS4 games here cost 4000 bucks, PS3 games cost 3500 bucks while newly released PC games usually cost 1500 bucks with only EA games costing 3000 bucks on PC. Also most people here have powerful CPU's and buy low-end graphics cards, which cost them much less than a brand new console and are capable enough to run new games on low settings which is good enough for most. Add PS Plus and XBL costs and you know why their are more PC gamers here than console gamers.

So yeah MS and Sony can do a lot to appeal to the general gaming public here. And India's population has enough rich people to support gaming massively. Games aren't advertised AT ALL here, so that should also change.

Anyways, I know its getting long now, butr most of those Japanese games you listed have NOT sold well in the west. Western games sell tons more in the west, and now are gaining appeal even in Japan, as you can see from sales of BF 4, GTA V and COD Ghosts last year.



Ucell said:
VanceIX said:
Ucell said:
VanceIX said:

Dude, I am Indian (currently living in the US). I can tell you that the vast majority of the population will never be able to afford the PS4, and those that can will probably be uninterested in gaming anyway, seeing as that it simply has never been a hobby there.

In Brazil, you'll have to get the government to lower the huge import taxes first. Until then, you're out of luck.

And tons of Japanese games sell well in the west, what are you talking about? Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Persona, Ni no Kuni, Bravely Default, Lost Odyssey, etc. all do great in the west. It's just making a game that can appeal to both and then localizing it well.

When did you last come to India? I'm presently living here and console gaming has become much much more popular here in the last few years.

PS4, despite its $667 price here and the media's general apathy towards consoles and video games, still sold out here when it launhed in January. There were some lines even during its midnight launch. I was at Citywalk Mall in New Delhi and outside a games store their there was quite a big line at midnight, both at GTA V and PS4 launch. So gaming is becoming more mainstream here.

Also apart from GT, MGS, FF and KH few Japanese games sell well in the west compared to western games. That's undeniably true.

I visit every other year for 2-3 months at a time.

From what I've seen, no one that I know is a console gamer. A lot of my family is fortunate enough to be mid-high social class, and none of them have consoles. Consoles are expensive, games are expensive, and on top of it all there is no guarantee that your friends will have a console too. Not to mention, outside of bigger cities like Delhi or Mumbai, you will be hard-pressed to find videogame stores. I lived in Jodphur and Jaipur and not once did I come across a place selling videogames. Most cities don't have big malls to offer consoles and games.

Also, many other games have seen large degrees of success in the west. What about Gravity Rush, Fire Emblem, Rogue Galaxy, ICO, Shadow of the Collosus, Gran Turismo, Atelier, Legend of Dragoon, Pokemon, White Knight Chronicles, Zelda, etc.? Tons of Japanese games are successful worldwide, it's the question of localizing and marketing them right. Most Japanese games these days are smaller, niche titles which are hard to localize, since the big devs have all been concentrating on the west, with no help from Sony or Nintendo.

Yeah I'd imagine gaming may be niche in smaller cities, but in large cities gaming has become quite popular. That's definitely the case in Delhi.

Now let me give you an insight into gaming in Delhi-NCR region:

Most gamers in India are PC gamers followed by PS gamers, then Xbox gamers with Nintendo barely having their presence felt here. I think though, as you said, its all down to prices. PS4 games here cost 4000 bucks, PS3 games cost 3500 bucks while newly released PC games usually cost 1500 bucks with only EA games costing 3000 bucks on PC. Also most people here have powerful CPU's and buy low-end graphics cards, which cost them much less than a brand new console and are capable enough to run new games on low settings which is good enough for most. Add PS Plus and XBL costs and you know why their are more PC gamers here than console gamers.

So yeah MS and Sony can do a lot to appeal to the general gaming public here. And India's population has enough rich people to support gaming massively. Games aren't advertised AT ALL here, so that should also change.

Anyways, I know its getting long now, butr most of those Japanese games you listed have NOT sold well in the west. Western games sell tons more in the west, and now are gaining appeal even in Japan, as you can see from sales of BF 4, GTA V and COD Ghosts last year.

I agree with you about gaming in the major cities, but those alone will never match up to the collective gaming in Japan.

And yeah, those games have, actually. You can look up the sales numbers if you want. Fire Emblem and Pokemon are huge titles here, and Rogue Galax, ICO, Shadow of the Collosus, and Gran Turismo all did very well when released in the west. The others had very solid sales as well.



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finalrpgfantasy said:
Of all the games in the trailer, there are only two games that might appeal to the Japanese market.

MGS, FF, KH, COD, BF4, and Dead Rising all have mild to large appeal in Japan. You're exagerrating.



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so... Japan will see FF XV and then say meh to the rest. Xbox One will flop in Japan just like it's Father did.