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Zod95 on 30 June 2014
TheBlackNaruto said:
Zod95 said:
Kresnik said:
Zod95 said:

It is not a contradiction. There is a reason to buy multiplatforms on PS4 over XOne. But that reason is not compelling.


What's compelling for one person may not be for another.

I don't particularly understand why Japan are so insular about consoles.  But they are.  If 360 and a legion of Japanese exclusives (before they were "timed" exclusives") couldn't change their mind, then XB1 with a legion of year-late western multi-plats won't either.

You don't understand because you are most probably a logical consumer like me. There's no compelling reason to buy A rather than B when A and B are about the same thing for the same price. Only emotions can lead people to less rational decisions or not even to compare before deciding and thus totally disregarding option B as if it didn't exist. The end result? Some people claiming the XOne only has western games.

Well direct all of this to that one person who said the XB1 only has western games lol. But seriously if both A and B are about the same thing for the same price then it boils down to what A and B are not emotions. And who is to say that someone didn't compare A and B before hand? If A and B are gaming consoles it boils down to which one you prefer and which one looks to have more of what you are interested in. In this case "games" if you will. Now I personally thought it was a good ad just not enough Japanese games. The 360 didn't do that hot and it had quite a few Japanese games on it...even more so than the PS3 at one time if I am not mistaken. And it didn't take off at all really. This ad wwhile nice doesn't seen to have anything in it to appeal to the Japanese IMO.  And the culture there is quite different as well as we all know. 

Also while PS4 and the XB1 are about the same....on paper the PS4 is indeed more powerful period. And for the most part while the differences are not HUGE has gotten the better version of multiplats and some nice exclusive content deals as well. Normally if all someone was worried is graphics they COULD get a PC but then they wouldn't be able to play the games that are not on PC  and will be exclusive to the PS4 or XB1 hence the reason they are choosing between those two. 

Bottom line is when comparing the PS4/XB1 the system that has the games or even will have the games one perfers is what matters. But I also get the point you have been trying to make in this thread. 

I direct it to people that quote me and show they didn't understand my point.

You are the third guy that thought I was talking about consoles when mentioning A and B. For the third time: I was talking about games.

You think XOne is having a bad launch, X360 didn't do that hot and PS3 was even worse. Your standards for the japanese market are just too high.

I completely agree with the last 2 paragraphs.



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Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

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AZWification on 30 June 2014

That trailer lacked generic looking JRPGs and anime games..



                
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Zod95 on 30 June 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Zod95 said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Zod95 said:

Ignorant people making naive decisions. Yeah, that could work against the XOne and make the PS4 benefit from a non-advantage. But then you're not contradicting my very first comment that started all of this conversation (look at the bold).

Compelling is subjective, what isn't subjective is the power difference between the PS4 and the XB1. They are both 399, but PS4 is 40-50% (period). Thus if you are buying both consoles on the Merit of Multiplats PS4 has better price efficiency.

Last generation, XB360 had the multiplat advantage, because it ran games at either a more stable 30, or 10 fps more than the PS3. Now that we are talking about difference of 30 and 60 or 1080 vs 720 on pretty much all but one multiplat.

So what compelled people to get the 360 will not compel people to get the PS4.

/debate

Perhaps rational is subjective too. I won't go further on that, there's no point. Either people see it clearly and think rationally, or they can just let placebos take over their buying decisions. That's their problem, not mine.

X360 had significantly better versions on games like Oblivion, The Orange Box and even Arkham Asylum and GTA IV. We could see the differences with our own eyes. We could tell which was which without any lables or even side-by-side comparisons. That was significant (it's what compelled some people to opt by a X360). Now the differences are insignificant. Only ignorant/naive people could be fooled by that. Any TV little option, any system feature, any speculation about upcoming games is meant to be more important.

Its not that rationality is subjective, but rather consumers and human beings in general are anything but rational most of the time.

my favorite: is the common but flawed reasoning that money now is higher value then money later. 100$ now or 200$ next year, most people will choose now even though they will get more money if they wait.

Well, that's why I come here to the forums. To talk with rational people that want to know more or share their knowledge.

I don't expect the random dad that takes impulsive decisions to read my posts.

So, again, both PS4 and XOne versions of Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy are about the same thing for the same price. There is no compelling reason to choose one version over the other.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

SlayerRondo on 30 June 2014

Not their market to begin with.

Microsoft made a real effort with the Xbox360 in Japan and still got decimated by the PS3.



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Kresnik on 30 June 2014
Zod95 said:

Regarding the western-oriented games, that is arguable. Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy are definitely Japan-oriented, perhaps more than Mario and motion games and see how that sells in Japan. I would say Japan is changing every year and that now it's far from being only about anime videogames. There is a very strong casual component as well as a growing western niche there. XOne has both and therefore I think Sunset Overdrive, Plants vs Zombies and Project Spark are actually quite Japan-oriented...as well as Kinect.


Yeah... I don't agree.  Final Fantasy & Metal Gear Solid still sell in Japan, but they're undoubtedly aimed squarely at the west in terms of appeal.  At least for the whole of the 7th generation and what we've seen so far from the 8th generation.

I do understand your point a little better now, and yeah, of course - people who are interested in Halo + only the big Japanese games will indeed be choosing an XB1 instead.  I don't disagree with that!  But we're looking at a very small portion of people there.

(By the way, PvZ isn't XB1 exclusive in Japan - it's releasing on PS4 the same day - check here)



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S.T.A.G.E. on 30 June 2014

LOL That video is simply showing off what is so great about western development and western focused gaming. These people have zero clue how to satisfy the Japanese. If someone thinks this is groundbreaking and will change the mind of the Japanese its actually a worse attempt than last gen.

Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts are focused on the sensibilities of the western gamer, not the Japanese gamer. Nothing in Microsofts first party can satisfy them so they should just give up there already.

This commercial is like saying "Give up, western sensibilities have won over the world. Just give up and buy our console, please. Look at all of these games that appeal to western people. Why cant you just break already!?"

 

LMAO @ Microsoft.



Zod95 on 30 June 2014
thismeintiel said:
Zod95 said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Zod95 said:

Ignorant people making naive decisions. Yeah, that could work against the XOne and make the PS4 benefit from a non-advantage. But then you're not contradicting my very first comment that started all of this conversation (look at the bold).

Compelling is subjective, what isn't subjective is the power difference between the PS4 and the XB1. They are both 399, but PS4 is 40-50% (period). Thus if you are buying both consoles on the Merit of Multiplats PS4 has better price efficiency.

Last generation, XB360 had the multiplat advantage, because it ran games at either a more stable 30, or 10 fps more than the PS3. Now that we are talking about difference of 30 and 60 or 1080 vs 720 on pretty much all but one multiplat.

So what compelled people to get the 360 will not compel people to get the PS4.

/debate

Perhaps rational is subjective too. I won't go further on that, there's no point. Either people see it clearly and think rationally, or they can just let placebos take over their buying decisions. That's their problem, not mine.

X360 had significantly better versions on games like Oblivion, The Orange Box and even Arkham Asylum and GTA IV. We could see the differences with our own eyes. We could tell which was which without any lables or even side-by-side comparisons. That was significant (it's what compelled some people to opt by a X360). Now the differences are insignificant. Only ignorant/naive people could be fooled by that. Any TV little option, any system feature, any speculation about upcoming games is meant to be more important.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!  Wait, wait.  So a difference of a few frames and a few lines of resolution last gen equals "We could see the differences with our own eyes. We could tell which was which without any lables or even side-by-side comparisons.  That was significant."  Now, we have some games that are running, on average, 20-30 FPS higher on the PS4, WHILE boasting a resolution difference MUCH higher than ANYTHING the 360 outdid the PS3 by, and that equals "Now the differences are insignificant."  Wow.  Just wow.  I think the people buying the PS4 because it is ~40% more powerful than the One, and has the superior multiplats, aren't the "ignorant/naive" ones here.

You're totally out of touch. It's about much more than that. I can't find some decent video comparisons on Youtube but the critic complained a lot about the PS3 version of some games, some eventually saying the graphical issues damaged the whole experience. Ever wondered why IGN gave 95 to The Orange Box on X360 and only 84 to the PS3? As for GTA IV, I have it for my PS3 and my brother also has it for his X360 and so I could see the difference with my own eyes directly looking at the screen. The PS3 version blurred the graphics in order to disguise issues with the draw distance and other details. The difference is obvious and I didn't need any side-by-side comparison to notice it.

On the other hand, on those PS4/XOne games I've analysed, it's very hard to perceive the differences even watching the versions side-by-side and labled.

40% more power is very little when taking into account that the normal generational transision is about a 5.000% or 10.000% evolution. Besides, XOne may have in the future some extra cloud power to counterbalance, so I don't foresee significant differences in the future either.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

Zod95 on 30 June 2014
Blood_Tears said:
thismeintiel said:
Zod95 said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Zod95 said:

 

 

Perhaps rational is subjective too. I won't go further on that, there's no point. Either people see it clearly and think rationally, or they can just let placebos take over their buying decisions. That's their problem, not mine.

X360 had significantly better versions on games like Oblivion, The Orange Box and even Arkham Asylum and GTA IV. We could see the differences with our own eyes. We could tell which was which without any lables or even side-by-side comparisons. That was significant (it's what compelled some people to opt by a X360). Now the differences are insignificant. Only ignorant/naive people could be fooled by that. Any TV little option, any system feature, any speculation about upcoming games is meant to be more important.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!  Wait, wait.  So a difference of a few frames and a few lines of resolution last gen equals "We could see the differences with our own eyes. We could tell which was which without any lables or even side-by-side comparisons.  That was significant."  Now, we have some games that are running, on average, 20-30 FPS higher on the PS4, WHILE boasting a resolution difference MUCH higher than ANYTHING the 360 outdid the PS3 by, and that equals "Now the differences are insignificant."  Wow.  Just wow.  I think the people buying the PS4 because it is ~40% more powerful than the One, and has the superior multiplats, aren't the "ignorant/naive" ones here.

He has been preaching and bitching the whole day over this and you just dismantled his whole fucking agrument right there. There's his compelling reason to buy PS4 versions over X1. /thread.

The day you show me the critic claiming the XOne version of some game is unplayable or that the whole experience is damaged because of graphical issues or that XOne had to blur the graphics in order to hide problems, I will say you're right. Until then, I don't.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

Zod95 on 30 June 2014
Kresnik said:
Zod95 said:

Regarding the western-oriented games, that is arguable. Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy are definitely Japan-oriented, perhaps more than Mario and motion games and see how that sells in Japan. I would say Japan is changing every year and that now it's far from being only about anime videogames. There is a very strong casual component as well as a growing western niche there. XOne has both and therefore I think Sunset Overdrive, Plants vs Zombies and Project Spark are actually quite Japan-oriented...as well as Kinect.


Yeah... I don't agree.  Final Fantasy & Metal Gear Solid still sell in Japan, but they're undoubtedly aimed squarely at the west in terms of appeal.  At least for the whole of the 7th generation and what we've seen so far from the 8th generation.

I do understand your point a little better now, and yeah, of course - people who are interested in Halo + only the big Japanese games will indeed be choosing an XB1 instead.  I don't disagree with that!  But we're looking at a very small portion of people there.

(By the way, PvZ isn't XB1 exclusive in Japan - it's releasing on PS4 the same day - check here)

You can disagree. But it's arguable. And the proof is that we both have very different opinions about it. For example, I trully believe that Final Fantasy XIII is Japan-oriented and its sales clearly show it.

Regarding that portion of people, it may be small but its existence proves how mistaken are people that claim XOne is only about western games.

Regarding Plants vs Zombies, I didn't know that. Will it come to PS4 on the western markets as well?



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

Imaginedvl on 30 June 2014
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

3/10

Not enough anime, not enough tits, not enough anime tits, they fail to advertise to their target audience in japan who are more into anime sorta deal than pew pew pew, western stuff

 

jk, looks great but I think they seriously need some more jrpgs though

The ad is awesome but yah, I'm wondering if Japanese consumers will see it as cool as we do in the west :)