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BeElite said:
Jereel Hunter said:

Yep, up to a 3% chance from 1%.

Absolutely nothing other than pulled-from-their-rear numbers supports this prediction. It's ahead of the start the PS3 had, and by a company that isn't deep in the red, year over year. The X1 is selling well behind the PS4, but it's still sold very well, thus far. Once it's flagship titles start releasing, there's no reason to think it won't recover.

But I'm glad people are making these predictions immediately before any sales data from the price drop. That way we can potentially see these "doom" threads crash and burn almost immediately.

No the X1 is not selling very well.  People need to be honest about its sales.  

Yes the flagships, as if PS4 does not have its own and more of them.  

It took the PS3 18 months to hit the sales the X1 is at in under a year.

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_Seventh_generation

It's start isn't spectacular like the PS4, but it's doing just fine. It's low this week, but it's the  week before an announced price cut. Remember PS3's sales leading up to the slim?



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Jereel Hunter said:
Eddie_Raja said:

Something that annoys me is people keep saying "I don't know, I wouldn't count MS out yet!" and then they give no reason for why we shouldn't.  I am not singling you out, and I am not necessarily saying we should 100% forget Xbox already, but seriously why shouldn't we.

Let's have this discussion people!  Forget marking BS from both sides!  The Xbox One is a little more than half as strong as the PS4, MS has way fewer first party studios and IP's than Sony, and the Playstation brand has more staying power.  How in the hell could MS dig themeselves out of this hole?

The answers why we shouldn't, should be obvious. This is a profitable part of Microsoft, a company with almost limitless resources. Why would a profitable product, on decent track, by a AAA company be counted out? The X1 is in a way better position than the PS3 was. It was a company who's stock had been in freefall for years, was in the red constantly, and was billions in the hole as a product, and receiving similar poor sales. It recovered from a much worse position than the X1 is in at present. Especially since MS could absolutely afford to tank the price, if necessary to keep the brand alive. Sony would have a tough time following suit. 

1) The Xbox division is not profitable.  They still have yet to make a net profit with their division as has been pointed out dozens of times.  Also, MS doesn't make lots of money so they can throw it way at money-sucking division.

2) The X1 is in a terribly worse situation than the PS3 was.  The PS3 was hard to program for, and cost too much for most people.  However its features did justify purchasing it, and it had a lot of things that could be stripped off to make it cheaper (Did it really need 3 different memory card readers?!).  The PS3 was also coming off of a generation of dominating EVERY market.

The X1 costs roughly the same to produce as does the PS4 even though it is substantially weaker (This is even without Kinect).  This wouldn't be the end of the world if it wasn't primarily a gaming machine, but now it is.  On top of that the 360 was their second time in a row coing in third place.  They did well in the US/UK but didn't dominate ANY market.  Now the X1 is losing as badly to the PS4 in the UK as the 360 did to the PS3 in Europe, and Europe is all but outright rejecting the X1.  In fact, the PS4's lead in the US is climbing at an accelerating rate.

3) MS will not just throw money at the situation.  I would eat the loss and drop the price to $300 this holiday, but what if that doesn't work and the PS4 keeps winning at $350?  MS has just about no real cards left to play and it is gameover.  Keep in mind the weaker PS2 was eventually selling for more than the Xbox was, and yet the PS2 still kept dominating due to its established mindshare.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

theprof00 said:
Jereel Hunter said:

"but it was is things No one actualy asked for from a gaming console."

No, many of it's planned features were things people asked for... Most people weren't ready for what that entailed, however. "Cloud gaming? yes please. Oh wait, in order for a machine built for cloud based gaming? I have to always be online??? WTF???"

"It will struggle mightly to even achice half the sales 360 did."

It's on better pace than the PS3 was. Did it struggle in the long run? It's doing fine, just not as fine as the PS4.

Xbox's initial misteps were, granted - mismarketting. All of it's awesome features were easily painted as restrictions by the competition. And changing it's focus greatly limited some potential. (i.e. A system always connected can offload to the cloud any time, and can have games that function requiring the cloud. A non connected console can't) Ultimately, they swung for the fences, while Sony doubled down on consumer ignorance. And if there's one thing history teaches us, that's the safest bet.

Bolded is not true, and is a complete exaggeration of the point.

MS wanted to give gamers what they wanted, but only in the way MS saw profit to be made.

There was no reason to tie digital to MS ownership. There was no reason to require MS to be paid for trade-ins at gamestop for used games. It would only increase consumer costs, or hurt gamestop.

I dont think MS was getting paid just the game devs. Publishers have been bitching about used sales forever and this was MS's anwser. Publishers loved the old X1 ecosystem.

Fact: There was NO way to trade your disc-based games, that you physically own on ebay or any other marketplace. MS got a cut of every used sale. Look it up. This isn't FUD. There was no reason for this.

They announced you can do a 1 time license transfer to friends, so you could theoritically sell them without anyone getting a cut

Fact: You couldn't play your disc-based games without an online checkin. A certain someone was even fired for mocking people about being always online. Yet somehow steam is able to allow offline play of digital games. Funny.

The reason is they wanted to do a all digital system, but not piss off retailers. This way there is still incentive for major retailers to carry XBone. The disks were merely install disks and each game would come with a licence key that you register to your account, like steam. The 24 hour check was so you dont install the game unplug from the internet, then sell the game(license) to gamestop

Fact: You could not play your disc game on a friend's xb1. There were literally arguments defending this saying "oh I'll just bring my xb1 to my friend's house, big deal". Or "I can if I log-in with my profile", yet if you let a friend borrow game A and you wanted to play game B, you physically could not play different games at the same time on different xb1s, because you could not use the same login at two places at once. It's like "*ring ring* Hey bill, it's me, I let you borrow halo, but I want to play fifa now, so can you please log out of my account. I'll text you when I'm done".

You can play your games on a friends X1 as long as your XBL was logged in on their console

Fact: The family share has literally NEVER EVER BEEN FULLY EXPLAINED. EVER. IN HISTORY.

There were no features that had to be done the way MS wanted to do them. MS just decided what the most profitable way was, and made all their decisions based on that. That's not a terrible way to make money, but it's also important to wonder whether a consumer will actually support that. They did not.

MS's goal was to push the all digitial future that publishers/(some)devs want. They didnt want to sever ties with big box giants like Walmart so(some madman) tried creating some sort of digital/physical hybrid. If MS announced an all digital system all the big sellers would not sell the hardware because the money profit in the gaming industry has always been in software sales. MS was trying to balance customers, retailers and resellers all while keeping games in a digital enviroment. It is a bad idea, hopefully never to be seen or heard of again. If steam tried this shit Im sure they would not get the flack MS gets. They just dont let you resell games at all.





Getting an XBOX One for me is like being in a bad relationship but staying together because we have kids. XBone we have 20000+ achievement points, 2+ years of XBL Gold and 20000+ MS points. I think its best we stay together if only for the MS points.

Nintendo Treehouse is what happens when a publisher is confident and proud of its games and doesn't need to show CGI lies for five minutes.

-Jim Sterling

360 sold about 47 millions NA and 25 EU.

If the xbone has lost at least 30 per cent of NA and about 50per cent eu it's going to sell about 42 millions.

A lot can change, but i still think EU is lost, and NA will be a tie at best, mostly because i don't think Microsoft is willing to lose more money with xbox brand.



X1 will never catcg ps4 sales but i think it will still sell well



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

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Jereel Hunter said:
BeElite said:
Jereel Hunter said:

Yep, up to a 3% chance from 1%.

Absolutely nothing other than pulled-from-their-rear numbers supports this prediction. It's ahead of the start the PS3 had, and by a company that isn't deep in the red, year over year. The X1 is selling well behind the PS4, but it's still sold very well, thus far. Once it's flagship titles start releasing, there's no reason to think it won't recover.

But I'm glad people are making these predictions immediately before any sales data from the price drop. That way we can potentially see these "doom" threads crash and burn almost immediately.

No the X1 is not selling very well.  People need to be honest about its sales.  

Yes the flagships, as if PS4 does not have its own and more of them.  

It took the PS3 18 months to hit the sales the X1 is at in under a year.

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_Seventh_generation

It's start isn't spectacular like the PS4, but it's doing just fine. It's low this week, but it's the  week before an announced price cut. Remember PS3's sales leading up to the slim?

And how does that help your argument? If MS puts a pricecut on the X1, Sony can do the same (especially when Sony is already profiting from hardware). If MS releases Halo 5, Sony will release Uncharted 4. Also, X1 (and the PS4) had the luxury of having plenty of stock at launch. After launch is when things look worrisome. The X1's first April in the US, for example, is significantly worse than any of 360's Aprils in the US (except for 2014).



the great part about this kind of speculation is that people really have no idea. You cannot just say "The X1 will sell horribly" because you don't know that. Stuff can happen. The PS4 could just come to a halt and sell poorly in a few months, or it could increase or maybe just not change. The market can be a strange thing.



Dark Chaos said:
Eddie_Raja said:
gergroy said:
I don't know, I think microsoft can still pull it out (no pun here folks!). It's still pretty early, perceptions can shift. Especially if they are still shooting for a 10 year life cycle.

Biggest problem the xbox one had/has was their leadership team. Mattrick was a joke, he deserves to be at zynga, not head of xbox. He was nothing but a train wreck as the head of xbox and his leadership during a console transition can be considered nothing less than a nightmare.

However, Microsoft has done a lot to rectify the issues Mattrick left them. In time, with some big hitters like Halo, they can at least pull even in NA and UK. Europe may be a lost cause. However, they could still make some gains in emerging markets like China, South America, etc. It's not a completely lost cause for Microsoft, I still think they can get close to what the 360 sold, 70 million or so...

Something that annoys me is people keep saying "I don't know, I wouldn't count MS out yet!" and then they give no reason for why we shouldn't.  I am not singling you out, and I am not necessarily saying we should 100% forget Xbox already, but seriously why shouldn't we.

Let's have this discussion people!  Forget marking BS from both sides!  The Xbox One is a little more than half as strong as the PS4, MS has way fewer first party studios and IP's than Sony, and the Playstation brand has more staying power.  How in the hell could MS dig themeselves out of this hole?

THe 3ds Is what half as strong as the Vita? Who cares. Quantity> Quality. Most Vgchartz members believe that MS exclusives will outsell Sonys exclusives this holidays and thats what matters. Having good games will turn it around which they have shown in MCC, FH2, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break , Gears and Halo

Yeah and the 3DS is cheaper.  First of all the VGchartz members that think MS will sell more software this holiday are in the minority (But neither of us are actually counting so let's just stop the childish number games here.)  Second of all, what some hardcore gamers think on a forum is not what matters.  Last, LBP1 outsold Halo:A and Forza horizon... COMBINED.  Throw in Drive Club and twice the userbase, and it's a done deal.  

P.S.  All of those exclusives you mentioned at the end... Uncharted, Bloodborne, GG IP, The Order, God of War, No Man's Sky, Grim Fandango, Let it Die, H1Z1, Planetside 2, and Deep Down say "Hi."



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

Jereel Hunter said:

It took the PS3 18 months to hit the sales the X1 is at in under a year.

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_Seventh_generation

It's start isn't spectacular like the PS4, but it's doing just fine. It's low this week, but it's the  week before an announced price cut. Remember PS3's sales leading up to the slim?


The thing is doing better then last gen is meaningless.  Its curret competitior is killing it.  There is nothing fine about whats going on.  

2014 sales and overall.

PS4 3,738,051 (-15%) 8,152,324
XOne 1,503,415 (-51%) 4,577,077

There is absolutley nothing fine about that

try to remember, Xbox is not Playstation never was and is not right now.  



people need to understand that the only reason the 360 did well but lost was the 1 year advantage. if the ps3 launched at the same time developers would had prefer it and it would have been easy to develop and with the more power it would had killed in multy plats.

and the reason that the x1 will fail like the original xbox, is because it tried to appeal to the same gamers as last gen, multy plats and shooters since its studios has 4 games, but now the ps4 outperforms them in multy plats and sonys studios have at least 3 times more exclusives.



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