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Experimental42 said:


Nintendo has already gotten the hang of HD gaming, that's why they have the absolute best looking games on any console right now. Running as 720 and 60 fps makes a game look better than 1080p and 30 fps. They also don't need to churn out subpar garbage either, they're doing a good job of building a solid library.
It only took a few good games to turn their fortunes around with the Game Boy, DS, and 3DS. You don't think MK8, Bayonetta, 2 types of Zelda games, Metroid, and possibly the biggest new JRPG constitutes a few good games?

 

As for the best lineup, lets compare 2014 and then a little of 2015.

2014: Bayonetta 2, X, Hyrule Warriors, and Smash.

That's a good spread. One killer app franchise, one  very hyped JRPG (possibly the first system mover for the Japanese market), the first new Zelda related game in a while, and a third party exclusive that has a cult following.

2015: Zelda U, Retro's Metroid, possibly a new IP from Miyamoto(?)

So Zelda U has been a big thing people have been clamoring for, and Metroid is believed to be back in Retro's hands, and a new Nintendo IP would adress a major complaint everyone has about Nintendo not creating new franchises.

 

What's more, the timing of these titles couldn't be more perfect, being in the wake Mario Kart 8's elevated sales and allieviation of the doom cloud right before E3. Everyone knows that all eyes are on Nintendo and short of Microsoft buying Nintendo nothing can steal the show from them. Nintendo will either have an amazing show or pull an Xbone and embarass themselves. I believe they'll deliver because if they don't, Nintendo is dead, period.

So tell me, which system currently has a lineup for 2014 that stacks up that well, and what is that lineup?

 

As for third parties, they will go anywhere and everywhere there is money to be made, that includes the Wii U if it proves it can maintain sales. Not every new game is some sort of graphical powerhouse that's far too advanced for Wii U to handle. It's the first volley after release, yes most games are going to be in a graphical dick waving contest and try to focus on power and realism.Once more stylized games begin to come out the Wii U hardware will be less of a hindrance to third party releases.

3rd partis are never going to support wiiu they are never coming back they know its pointless we all do we all seen the sayings here peopel buy ninty consoles for ninty games while 3rd parties suck.   Fact is 3rd party games dont sale well on nintendo consoels, even wiis user base did not change that.  Truth is even if wiiu magically did sales that they would bring back support it be 3 years before we see any of it.  Thus its never coming this gen, once its lost its gone for the gen.  ninty does not know how to woo them like ms or sony do.  Fact is nintendo lost 3rd party support for this gen, nothing will change that now.  Except maybe paying them to release games on their system. 

Hell of a lot easier to turn a product around when you are facing weak competition then when you are facing the PS4 that sales it self.  get it ? ninty ruels handhelds while in console they been on the reciving end of beat downs more often then not.  Console are more expensive games cost more and take longer to make, very little of what happend in their handhelds translates to consoles.

Bayonetta 2, X, Hyrule Warriors, and Smash.  Really this is it, this is your wiiu to challange PS4 line up, this is supposed to do better then Mario Mario Donky Pikmin Kart fared already, you are doing nothing then blindly hoping for a impossible miracle there bud.  None care about B2 X could be awesome yet end up likely as the commercial flop xenoblade was Hyrule is an unknown and any chance Smash could have been major was ruined by ninty them selfs by deciding to release the 3ds version months earlier. 

Madden, The Crew, DriveCLub, Destiny, Dragons Age, Evolve, Shadowns of Mordor, CO freakin D, Assasins Unity, Lords of the Fallen, FrCry4, Battlefield

Also UFC NHL FIFA NBA Golf WWE Singstar EvilWithIn AlienISo

If it floats your boat keep dreaming sales wise wiius line up will out sale that, but  im sure most on here no matter how big ninty supporters are realistic nuf to know that will massivle help PS4 out sale wiiu.

 



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Experimental42 said:
Why weren't they saying anything until now? That's a dumb and simply answered question: They had no reason to. They actually have a reason to talk about it now so they do. That is in no way, shape, or form cowardly. Get a damn dictionary.

Mk8 gave them bravery. Without MK8 there is no bravery. Lack of bravery is cowardice.



Max King of the Wild said:
Experimental42 said:
Why weren't they saying anything until now? That's a dumb and simply answered question: They had no reason to. They actually have a reason to talk about it now so they do. That is in no way, shape, or form cowardly. Get a damn dictionary.

Mk8 gave them bravery. Without MK8 there is no bravery. Lack of bravery is cowardice.

exactly, if they were true fans like how they are strutting they would have been around. 



oniyide said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Experimental42 said:
Why weren't they saying anything until now? That's a dumb and simply answered question: They had no reason to. They actually have a reason to talk about it now so they do. That is in no way, shape, or form cowardly. Get a damn dictionary.

Mk8 gave them bravery. Without MK8 there is no bravery. Lack of bravery is cowardice.

exactly, if they were true fans like how they are strutting they would have been around. 


Hilarious how he tells people to get a dictionary when the definition of cowardly is lack of courage/bravery 



eva01beserk said:
oniyide said:
eva01beserk said:

you forgot to mentione a couple of games coming out this year for nintendo, 1) sonic: might not be a great exclusive that is as hyped as the other, but sonic has a fan base and they usually boost a bit of nintendo sales. 2) skylanders: might not be a exclusive but it moves better on nintendo systems and now with the nfc gamepad it will be almost focused on wii u, and the skylanders fanbase is quite big.  might not be the best games but are still 2 more games that will boost sales for the wiiu while more drought hits the other systems.


lol, nope. SOnic? yeah because lost world moved a lot of consoles, wait. No especially since the 3ds version will sell better anyway (just like the last one) Skylanders? if you hadnt noticed that series already peaked and most people WILL buy the WIi version anyway if there is one. So nope to all of it and really those are releasing around the same time as BF and AC Unity games that actually sell good consistently.

belive it or not sonic has a fanbase. even if it directly dosent move units its still a litle incentive when they make another bundle like the mario kart with free game. and skylanders people will see it like an investment, anyone who kept all those figurines will want to upgrade to the new game and keep up their progress. and you say those game peek and you mention battlefield and assasins creed. after the last battlefield everione is going to tiptoe around the new one and assasins creed peeked at the econd one and have been selling worst ever after, black flag added a new mecanic with the boats and swiming but the next one will be a step back and its not going to move consoles like you think.

Your statements arent really stacking up to reality. I know SOnic has a fanbase, im one of them. But the games DO NOT move consoles, period. Thats my point. You said yourself it boosts Ninty HW sales. That is false. Show me a game where that was the case. Hell the last one pretty much flopped on WIi U so im not even sure where you're coming from with Sonic. Skylanders has lost sales year after year. Those are facts and its not like the WIi U version does well. I like how you ignored the fact that the WII version sells best by far. So people who do want to play it sure as hell arent going to update to Wii U to do so. Again look at sales. 

Ill give you AC unity and BF but thats the beauty of the PS4 and to a lesser extent X1 they dont NEED system sellers they have been beating up on Wii U without it. So it really doesnt matter what those games do because people are buying the systems regardless.



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Max King of the Wild said:
oniyide said:
Max King of the Wild said:

Mk8 gave them bravery. Without MK8 there is no bravery. Lack of bravery is cowardice.

exactly, if they were true fans like how they are strutting they would have been around. 


Hilarious how he tells people to get a dictionary when the definition of cowardly is lack of courage/bravery 

What's brave about talking about something when there's literally nothing to talk about? Nothing. That's not a lack of bravery, it's called not being an imbecile.

You should reword that to "Mk8 gave them something to talk about. Without MK8 there is nothing to talk about. Lack of something to talk about results in no talking." to make it more accurate and less stupid.



Experimental42 said:

It only took a few good games to turn their fortunes around with the Game Boy, DS, and 3DS. You don't think MK8, Bayonetta, 2 types of Zelda games, Metroid, and possibly the biggest new JRPG constitutes a few good games?

As for the best lineup, lets compare 2014 and then a little of 2015.

2014: Bayonetta 2, X, Hyrule Warriors, and Smash.

That's a good spread. One killer app franchise, one  very hyped JRPG (possibly the first system mover for the Japanese market), the first new Zelda related game in a while, and a third party exclusive that has a cult following.

What's more, the timing of these titles couldn't be more perfect, being in the wake Mario Kart 8's elevated sales and allieviation of the doom cloud right before E3. Everyone knows that all eyes are on Nintendo and short of Microsoft buying Nintendo nothing can steal the show from them. Nintendo will either have an amazing show or pull an Xbone and embarass themselves. I believe they'll deliver because if they don't, Nintendo is dead, period.

The Gameboy, DS, and 3DS all did significantly better even before their turnarounds than the Wii U has done.  The GB turnaround was also more of just a prolonged life.  It had a killer app from the very beginning with Tetris and sold well for years before Pokemon/color.  They are also all handhelds which tend to sell much less software per unit of hardware which allows them to get along with less support and also have individual games make a much larger impact.

A game with a cult following isn't exactly one to hang your hat on as one of the four games that will drive Wii U sales.  X feels like the same song and dance that was made around Xenoblade and The Last Story.  It may very well be the best selling new JRPG this year, but with the state of JRPG sales that isn't saying much.  ALBW wasn't that long ago and was probably more what Zelda fans wanted out of a new Zelda game than Hyrule Warriors.  Also both Zelda and Musou games have been on the downswing in popularity.  Smash should do well, but the 3DS release could hurt the hype for it.  It'll be the first Smash game in less than 6 months instead of more than 6 years.

Do you really think the timing couldn't be more perfect?  The only one with a sold release date is Hyrule Warriors in Japan.  That won't come out until two and a half months after Mario Kart.  Now maybe at E3 they'll announce Bayonetta for July, HyWa for August, and X for September, as well as another half dozen games to round out the rest of the year.  However those things haven't happened as of yet.  I don't see how you can say that four games, the closest one 2.5 months after MK is the perfect way to capitalize on the elevated sales and improved perception.



zorg1000 said:
Shortiloe said:
COLD_COBRA_ said:

You really believe Wii u will sell more than ps4? Really?


Yes, THIS year, maybe you overread that. Wii U will have heavy hitters this year, PS4 hitters are coming in 2015.

What makes you thing the PS4 will sell more THIS year? Huh? A Destiny? It will boost sales, sure, but that is all. Not as much as alle the games will do that are coming for wii U THIS year.


What about Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare, Assassin's Creed: Unity, Battlefield: Hardline, FIFA 2015? These are all games that will sell PS4 later in the year.

those IPs came out last year, so I don't see that much of a boost this year.



Ninsect said:
Shortiloe said:
COLD_COBRA_ said:


You really believe Wii u will sell more than ps4? Really?


Yes, THIS year, maybe you overread that. Wii U will have heavy hitters this year, PS4 hitters are coming in 2015.

What makes you thing the PS4 will sell more THIS year? Huh? A Destiny? It will boost sales, sure, but that is all. Not as much as alle the games will do that are coming for wii U THIS year.


While I think WiiU will sell well this year I think you're not thinking this through! PS4 is already almost 3 million units ahead this year. Why can't we just be happy that WIiU sales are improving? We don't need it to outsell PS4

pS4 only has a 1.8 million lead.



PS4 has Destiny, Batman this year along with the first wave of sports games that are really made for next-gen (Madden, FIFA, NBA 2K, NHL, etc.). Not to mention I suspect Sony will have some 1st/2nd party games.

People really don't buy a Playstation for just one game, they buy it for the promise of having the overall breadth of general software that they want for the next 5 years. Having a Playstation console means never having to worry about third party content or huge droughts in the long term, so there doesn't have to be like "one game" that sells the system.

If you like COD, GTA, Madden, FIFA, Uncharted, Batman, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Assassin's Creed, etc. or you like new IP from those developers and want a next-gen console then your only option is either the PS4 or X1. Some people just choose to jump on earlier, some will come on board later.