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The Fury said:
Ka-pi96 said:

lol. I agree that it should be more about individual performance than how much the team won. But I don't think your example of someone dominating in the French 2nd division would really work. They really need to be able to dominate in a top division, that's where the most competition is.

I agree positions shouldn't really matter. But it's harder to tell how well a defender or goalkeeper has done. With attacking players you can just look at their assists and goals and use that to judge how well they've done. You could do the same with goals conceded for defensive players, but that doesn't really tell the whole story about them.

Oh... and there is another UK based player that earned his nomination from playing well in the Premier League... Yaya Toure?

Yeah, I know what you mean, top flight means tougher opponents and all that so maybe 2nd division might not be a good scale but just because they haven't been signed by a big club doesn't mean they weren't fantastic for their team and the league they were in.

Let's put this as an example, James Rodriguez in on that list. Sure he did well in the world cup but generally he's not done that well in the French league before his big money move. in the 13/14 season (based on stats from this website: http://www.espnfc.com/ ) he got 15 goals and 14 assists for Monaco and his country in 50 games. Impressive right? But it's not if you look at Wayne Rooney, who isn't on the list, he got in 49 games 24 goals and 19 assists. If it's based on personal achievement, already it fails because it's not representative on the player but the teams success too.

Another good example, new Southampton player Tadic, last season in 44 games he got 22 goals and 14 assists, just because he's playing in the Dutch league for Twente and now Saints means his personal stats should be ignored? He's playing top flight football in both the Netherlands and England as well as for his country.

The competition is favouritism sadly. 

Well, Rooney, just because he was on a shite team doesn't mean he wasn't good. Yaya, definitely and Aguero was far better than half that list above.

Dunno about Rodriguez, I don't watch the French league so it may be that he did also play really well there. Although, stats aren't really everything, especially since Rodriguez is more of a midfielder so it would make sense that he doesn't score as many goals as a striker (Rooney). Although I expect a lot of the reason he was nominated was because of the World Cup.

As for Tadic... the Dutch league just isn't as good as the Premier League so it would make sense that players from there have a tough time getting nominated for awards. Some of the teams there are probably on par with 2nd division teams from the top European leagues. This is evident with Dutch clubs performance in European competitions, the top Dutch clubs just aren't any where near the top English, Spanish, German etc clubs. Also there are plenty of players that have got brilliant stats in weaker leagues like the Dutch league and then when moving to a big league just aren't good enough and can't perform there.

I think you may be focusing on stats a bit much as well. It isn't an award for top goalscorer or most assists, it's for best overall player. It's also voted on by International coaches and players so that should hold a bit of weight. I would assume when they are voting they are thinking, which player would I least want in the opposition team and most want on my team, at least I hope they think that when they vote. That also does mean there is probably quite a bit of favouritism, but hey it's better than Blatter being the one to choose who gets the award

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Ka-pi96 said:

Dunno about Rodriguez, I don't watch the French league so it may be that he did also play really well there. Although, stats aren't really everything, especially since Rodriguez is more of a midfielder so it would make sense that he doesn't score as many goals as a striker (Rooney). Although I expect a lot of the reason he was nominated was because of the World Cup.

I think you may be focusing on stats a bit much as well. It isn't an award for top goalscorer or most assists, it's for best overall player. It's also voted on by International coaches and players so that should hold a bit of weight. I would assume when they are voting they are thinking, which player would I least want in the opposition team and most want on my team, at least I hope they think that when they vote. That also does mean there is probably quite a bit of favouritism, but hey it's better than Blatter being the one to choose who gets the award

Also, congrats on the 10000th post in the thread

Rooney and Rodriguez play the same position nowadays. Rooney is no longer an all out striker for Man U, hasn't been for a few seasons. True about the world cup, but 4 or 5 games over an entire season of good games. The more I think about it the more the fact Yaya and Aguero not in this list is insulting to them and their efforts to win the league. I'm no fan of Man City and their buying their way to success but no one can deny Yaya and Aguero's ability as being 2 of the best players in the world today. Yaya last season got more goals in the 3 before that, including all of his time at Barcelona and he is a midfielder only.

Cheers, didn't realise. Hurray for me.



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REDZONE said:
Moyu said:

The early yellow to Rafael was undeserved. If the ref was a cunt I'm pretty sure he was a cunt to BOTH teams

Plus I don't think United managed to score due to Chelsea being a 10 man side after the red, I think it had more to do with Chelsea not being able to park the bus for the remainder of the match which is a bit surprising considering Mourinho's tactics when it comes down to 1-0 advantage :P


Di maria dived for that "foul", Ivanovic was marking Fellanni at set pieces, so yes Utd won due to us playing with 10 men.As usual they win/drew due to shady refereeing and Van Persie celebrating like he won d CL pathetic.


It wasn't a dive. 

https://vine.co/v/OhLx2dZTgAP

 

There were bad referee decisions, but they weren't as bad as Chelsea fans are making them out to be.



The Fury said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Dunno about Rodriguez, I don't watch the French league so it may be that he did also play really well there. Although, stats aren't really everything, especially since Rodriguez is more of a midfielder so it would make sense that he doesn't score as many goals as a striker (Rooney). Although I expect a lot of the reason he was nominated was because of the World Cup.

I think you may be focusing on stats a bit much as well. It isn't an award for top goalscorer or most assists, it's for best overall player. It's also voted on by International coaches and players so that should hold a bit of weight. I would assume when they are voting they are thinking, which player would I least want in the opposition team and most want on my team, at least I hope they think that when they vote. That also does mean there is probably quite a bit of favouritism, but hey it's better than Blatter being the one to choose who gets the award

Also, congrats on the 10000th post in the thread

Rooney and Rodriguez play the same position nowadays. Rooney is no longer an all out striker for Man U, hasn't been for a few seasons. True about the world cup, but 4 or 5 games over an entire season of good games. The more I think about it the more the fact Yaya and Aguero not in this list is insulting to them and their efforts to win the league. I'm no fan of Man City and their buying their way to success but no one can deny Yaya and Aguero's ability as being 2 of the best players in the world today. Yaya last season got more goals in the 3 before that, including all of his time at Barcelona and he is a midfielder only.

Cheers, didn't realise. Hurray for me.

Yeah, Aguero could do with being in the list. But Yaya is already in the list.



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Ka-pi96 said:

Yeah, Aguero could do with being in the list. But Yaya is already in the list.

I looked over that list loads of times, for some reason never read Yaya's name. What a fool I am.



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Talal said:
REDZONE said:
Moyu said:

The early yellow to Rafael was undeserved. If the ref was a cunt I'm pretty sure he was a cunt to BOTH teams

Plus I don't think United managed to score due to Chelsea being a 10 man side after the red, I think it had more to do with Chelsea not being able to park the bus for the remainder of the match which is a bit surprising considering Mourinho's tactics when it comes down to 1-0 advantage :P


Di maria dived for that "foul", Ivanovic was marking Fellanni at set pieces, so yes Utd won due to us playing with 10 men.As usual they win/drew due to shady refereeing and Van Persie celebrating like he won d CL pathetic.


It wasn't a dive. 

https://vine.co/v/OhLx2dZTgAP

 

There were bad referee decisions, but they weren't as bad as Chelsea fans are making them out to be.

Minimal contact,made an absolute meal of it and definitely dosen't merit a second yellow.And the fact that Iva was marking Fellanni makes it worse.



REDZONE said:

Minimal contact,made an absolute meal of it and definitely dosen't merit a second yellow.And the fact that Iva was marking Fellanni makes it worse.


Minimal or not is not relevant. There was contact and it lead to Di Maria falling. It is a foul 100% of the time. Some say the second yellow was harsh, but honestly I don't think it was harsh at all. It's clear that it wasn't Iva's intention to clip his ankle like that, but he did and that's what matters. Anyway, Chelsea still have a huge lead and this match was at Old Trafford, cheer up a draw isn't that bad.



:o Balotelli actually did something useful!



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Fulham 2-5 Derby County, the mighty rams reach the quarter finals of the league cup, and we are top of the championship, somebody pinch me.



Another loss for Man City, not looking like a good season at all so far



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