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VanceIX on 18 May 2014
Boutros said:

That's completely ludicrous.

I have thousands of examples of series/franchises that turned to crap. You can be a fan of what something used to be.

Otherwise you're just a blind fan and those are the most dangerous especially on forums. lol

Are you seriously saying that Pokemon is worse now?

Red and Blue were OK games, made god-tier due to nostalgic gamers who never played past the second or third generation. EVERY SINGLE generation that came after has been steadily better, with 6th gen easily being the best the series has ever been. 

Just because you are the 1% that could never get past the first gen dosen't mean that the other 99% of us should suffer.



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Clyde32 on 18 May 2014
VanceIX said:
Boutros said:

That's completely ludicrous.

I have thousands of examples of series/franchises that turned to crap. You can be a fan of what something used to be.

Otherwise you're just a blind fan and those are the most dangerous especially on forums. lol

Are you seriously saying that Pokemon is worse now?

Red and Blue were OK games, made god-tier due to nostalgic gamers who never played past the second or third generation. EVERY SINGLE generation that came after has been steadily better, with 6th gen easily being the best the series has ever been. 

Just because you are the 1% that could never get past the first gen dosen't mean that the other 99% of us should suffer.

LOL, just lol.



VanceIX on 18 May 2014
Clyde32 said:
VanceIX said:
Boutros said:

That's completely ludicrous.

I have thousands of examples of series/franchises that turned to crap. You can be a fan of what something used to be.

Otherwise you're just a blind fan and those are the most dangerous especially on forums. lol

Are you seriously saying that Pokemon is worse now?

Red and Blue were OK games, made god-tier due to nostalgic gamers who never played past the second or third generation. EVERY SINGLE generation that came after has been steadily better, with 6th gen easily being the best the series has ever been. 

Just because you are the 1% that could never get past the first gen dosen't mean that the other 99% of us should suffer.

LOL, just lol.

Why? Do you have any clue how many Pokemon players there are in the world currently? My quote was a little hyperbolic, but the first-gen only gamers are a very small minority compared to the others that went beyond just first-gen. 



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Frogger on 18 May 2014
VanceIX said:
Clyde32 said:
VanceIX said:
Boutros said:

That's completely ludicrous.

I have thousands of examples of series/franchises that turned to crap. You can be a fan of what something used to be.

Otherwise you're just a blind fan and those are the most dangerous especially on forums. lol

Are you seriously saying that Pokemon is worse now?

Red and Blue were OK games, made god-tier due to nostalgic gamers who never played past the second or third generation. EVERY SINGLE generation that came after has been steadily better, with 6th gen easily being the best the series has ever been. 

Just because you are the 1% that could never get past the first gen dosen't mean that the other 99% of us should suffer.

LOL, just lol.

Why? Do you have any clue how many Pokemon players there are in the world currently? My quote was a little hyperbolic, but the first-gen only gamers are a very small minority compared to the others that went beyond just first-gen. 


I think a more accurate comparison would be with the Wii. The Wii sold a lot of consoles, but a lot of them weren't really Nintendo fans. This is like one of them saying that the Wii U is lame now because it's so different from the Wii and the Wii was their first console, but no, they really are real Nintendo fans.

...No, they're just idiots.

I guarantee we know more about gen one than any genwunners do. "Real" Pokemon fan's.



Clyde32 on 18 May 2014
VanceIX said:
Clyde32 said:
VanceIX said:
Boutros said:

That's completely ludicrous.

I have thousands of examples of series/franchises that turned to crap. You can be a fan of what something used to be.

Otherwise you're just a blind fan and those are the most dangerous especially on forums. lol

Are you seriously saying that Pokemon is worse now?

Red and Blue were OK games, made god-tier due to nostalgic gamers who never played past the second or third generation. EVERY SINGLE generation that came after has been steadily better, with 6th gen easily being the best the series has ever been. 

Just because you are the 1% that could never get past the first gen dosen't mean that the other 99% of us should suffer.

LOL, just lol.

Why? Do you have any clue how many Pokemon players there are in the world currently? My quote was a little hyperbolic, but the first-gen only gamers are a very small minority compared to the others that went beyond just first-gen. 

I'm just saying...sales numbers suggest differently...



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Frogger on 18 May 2014
Clyde32 said:
VanceIX said:
Clyde32 said:
VanceIX said:
Boutros said:

That's completely ludicrous.

I have thousands of examples of series/franchises that turned to crap. You can be a fan of what something used to be.

Otherwise you're just a blind fan and those are the most dangerous especially on forums. lol

Are you seriously saying that Pokemon is worse now?

Red and Blue were OK games, made god-tier due to nostalgic gamers who never played past the second or third generation. EVERY SINGLE generation that came after has been steadily better, with 6th gen easily being the best the series has ever been. 

Just because you are the 1% that could never get past the first gen dosen't mean that the other 99% of us should suffer.

LOL, just lol.

Why? Do you have any clue how many Pokemon players there are in the world currently? My quote was a little hyperbolic, but the first-gen only gamers are a very small minority compared to the others that went beyond just first-gen. 

I'm just saying...sales numbers suggest differently...


I'd bet you a million dollars that there are more people who've played at least one of the newer games than there are people who stopped at gen one like you're suggesting.



jonathanalis on 18 May 2014

i see no problem in make the first game with only 151(and a few more, including their evolution, megas, and 6th general mechanics) pokemon.
Make red/blue (re)remake, but the way we want.(as described in this tread)
2 years latter make the gold/silver (re)remake, as and adictive game(all kanto is there, you can restart a new jorney in johto, and after finishing, you get what you had in kanto).
2 years later, ruby/saphire, 2 year DP, more 2 year BW and XY.



fatslob-:O on 18 May 2014
spemanig said:

Think about it. Think about how big that game would have to be to actually be satisfying. 

It would probably have to be on a bluray disc then ... 

EDIT: I never said this was an MMO. It's very much a single player game with some online elements, similar to the way the handhelds handle it. I HATE MMO's.

An open world Pokemon game with real-time third person battles like in Zelda. Unique models for every single Pokemon and forme. (700+) Unique models for all humans. Unique animations for every single one of those Pokemon and humans. Attack animations for every translatable attack/move, some with unique variations amongst different Pokemon. (500+) The entire open world skyrim-esce region would have to be fully rendered. Ai would have to be rendered for every Pokemon on a case by case basis to match not only with their unique species, but their individual natures/personalities. Even if this was just basic Ai programming, it would be complicated. Accurate balancing for 700+ Pokemon. Populating the vast world with the appropriate pokemon ecosystem. Recording unique cries for each Pokemon with species variation and variations depending on the situation. (because bit cries wouldn't work in a game like this) Hopefully voice acting for all NPC's. Music and sound effects for the entire region. All of this running at a servicable resolution and framerate. Nintendo would exept nothing less than 720p 30fps locked. It would be huge. Maybe too huge.

Nonsense, the game would not be all that huge as the low resolution meshes could be covered with low resolution textures to reduce the amount of data and a contraint on draw distance would help too to not cause overflow issues. Putting out alot of content isn't all that hard ...

I don't think that a game this huge has ever been created before. Not even Skyrim is this huge. Now this game would have the benefit of not being as graphically demanding as Skyrim, but all this things considered, I'm just not sure the game of our dreams is even possible on PC yet. (this coming from someone with zero PC knowledge) Maybe the reason we haven't gotten the Pokemon game we all want yet is because it simply isn't possible yet.

Actually I don't even think the game that your describing is even on the level of skyrim. It probably doesn't even compare to ARMA 3 with a 270 square kilometer area ... It would be very possible on the WII U too! The PC would just take the game that your describing to a whole new level.

Thoughts? Please tell me I'm wrong and that the Pokemon game of my dreams is possible somewhere, especially if you understand this sort of thing more than I do.

You are wrong, there ... 



Frogger on 18 May 2014
jonathanalis said:
i see no problem in make the first game with only 151(and a few more, including their evolution, megas, and 6th general mechanics) pokemon.
Make red/blue (re)remake, but the way we want.(as described in this tread)
2 years latter make the gold/silver (re)remake, as and adictive game(all kanto is there, you can restart a new jorney in johto, and after finishing, you get what you had in kanto).
2 years later, ruby/saphire, 2 year DP, more 2 year BW and XY.


I don't think any Pokemon fan would have an issue with that, because it isn't pretending that Pokemon hasn't progressed past 1997. The game these guys want isn't that, though. No megas. Eevee only has 3 evos. Electivire doesn't exist. Dark is still a purely "special" type. No such thing as natures, EVs, special abilities, interest.



Frogger on 18 May 2014
fatslob-:O said:
spemanig said:

Think about it. Think about how big that game would have to be to actually be satisfying. 

It would probably have to be on a bluray disc then ... 

EDIT: I never said this was an MMO. It's very much a single player game with some online elements, similar to the way the handhelds handle it. I HATE MMO's.

An open world Pokemon game with real-time third person battles like in Zelda. Unique models for every single Pokemon and forme. (700+) Unique models for all humans. Unique animations for every single one of those Pokemon and humans. Attack animations for every translatable attack/move, some with unique variations amongst different Pokemon. (500+) The entire open world skyrim-esce region would have to be fully rendered. Ai would have to be rendered for every Pokemon on a case by case basis to match not only with their unique species, but their individual natures/personalities. Even if this was just basic Ai programming, it would be complicated. Accurate balancing for 700+ Pokemon. Populating the vast world with the appropriate pokemon ecosystem. Recording unique cries for each Pokemon with species variation and variations depending on the situation. (because bit cries wouldn't work in a game like this) Hopefully voice acting for all NPC's. Music and sound effects for the entire region. All of this running at a servicable resolution and framerate. Nintendo would exept nothing less than 720p 30fps locked. It would be huge. Maybe too huge.

Nonsense, the game would not be all that huge as the low resolution meshes could be covered with low resolution textures to reduce the amount of data and a contraint on draw distance would help too to not cause overflow issues. Putting out alot of content isn't all that hard ...

I don't think that a game this huge has ever been created before. Not even Skyrim is this huge. Now this game would have the benefit of not being as graphically demanding as Skyrim, but all this things considered, I'm just not sure the game of our dreams is even possible on PC yet. (this coming from someone with zero PC knowledge) Maybe the reason we haven't gotten the Pokemon game we all want yet is because it simply isn't possible yet.

Actually I don't even think the game that your describing is even on the level of skyrim. It probably doesn't even compare to ARMA 3 with a 270 square kilometer area ... It would be very possible on the WII U too! The PC would just take the game that your describing to a whole new level.

Thoughts? Please tell me I'm wrong and that the Pokemon game of my dreams is possible somewhere, especially if you understand this sort of thing more than I do.

You are wrong, there ... 


I hope you're right lol