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VXIII on 13 May 2014
Wright said:
VXIII said:


In a way that there is no role to be played or a shoe to be filled. Story wise.

Do you feel like you are controlling a person in Dark Souls ? It's just that avatar with no personality. Sure, some RPG let you choose how to respond or what to say... from a predetermined choices. So much for a not fixed story path.


That's a very bad generalization, I think. Like in Bioshock, or Half Life, your avatar in Dark Souls is a puppet of fate. Still, small traits of personality can be found, especially when interacting with Solaire or the Onion Knight. They're both fond of chatting with you. You can also choose to attack then, thus make your character an agressive one.

You can also express yourself through gestures.

In Bioware games, your avatar has indeed predetermined choices, but that doesn't mean anything. You can be a straight up asshole in Dragon Age: Origins, or you can be a gentle knight; and people interacts with you regarding your attitude.

 

What is a character? it is defined by " complex of mental and ethical traits"

I have played Dragon Age, Dragon's Dogma ( amazing game) and tried Mass Effect. I couldn't find any accumulation or real evolving personality. the required complexity to call a character a character just wasn't there. It is not a simple good/evil, noble/asshole matter. the development in those games is very simplified to the point that what defines your character is the short-lived answer, which meant nothing 5 seconds later. It was an empty and oversimplified role from my experince



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outlawauron on 13 May 2014
Wright said:
outlawauron said:
Wright said:

That's not true.

I've never played one that doesn't fit.


I guess I'll need to beat that and see if it fits!



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ParryWinkle on 13 May 2014

I'm too hyped for this game. You know this game is going to be amazing when most of the dev team consists of the people who made VI, VII, X, KH, CC and Type-0.



brendude13 on 13 May 2014
Wright said:
brendude13 said:

Considering FFXIII has been their punch bag and FFXV their saviour for the past 5 years, I don't see them changing their minds now. They'll pretend to like it if need be.

Anyway, I thought the gameplay footage looked rather poor, like it was a low budget hack and slash game. Seemingly no real balance, jerky animations, dumb scripted events. I really hope it plays better than it looks, or that things improve between now and release.

So, you are going to be the bully now? :P

Oh yes, I'm going to milk this for all it's worth.



sergiodaly on 13 May 2014

i never play a FF game before, but this does appeal to me. i think i will start to follow this more closely.

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Wright on 13 May 2014
VXIII said:

What is a character? it is defined by " complex of mental and ethical traits"

I have played Dragon Age, Dragon's Dogma ( amazing game) and tried Mass Effect. I couldn't find any accumulation or real evolving personality. the required complexity to call a character a character just wasn't there. It is not a simple good/evil, noble/asshole matter. the development in those games is very simplified to the point that what defines your character is the short-lived answer, which meant nothing 5 seconds later. It was an empty and oversimplified role from my experince


Do you understand that "simple" and "complex" can be together, right?

Because if you say that a "simple" avatar can't be a character because he isn't complex, then, you're saying, for example, that Geralt of Rivia isn't a character.



VXIII on 13 May 2014
Wright said:
VXIII said:

What is a character? it is defined by " complex of mental and ethical traits"

I have played Dragon Age, Dragon's Dogma ( amazing game) and tried Mass Effect. I couldn't find any accumulation or real evolving personality. the required complexity to call a character a character just wasn't there. It is not a simple good/evil, noble/asshole matter. the development in those games is very simplified to the point that what defines your character is the short-lived answer, which meant nothing 5 seconds later. It was an empty and oversimplified role from my experince


Do you understand that "simple" and "complex" can be together, right?

Because if you say that a "simple" avatar can't be a character because he isn't complex, then, you're saying, for example, that Geralt of Rivia isn't a character.

Not really, how can a character be complex and simple ? that doesn't make any sense to me. I can understand some situations require simple or complex reaction, this is normal. But I was saying that the "result" of all that, reactions, traits, motivation..etc which determine the character behavior can't be simple. Hell, we can't even fully understand ourselves, how is that simple ?

I have no Idea who Geralt of Rivia is, so I can't comment on that.



VanceIX on 13 May 2014

GOD DAMN IT SQUARE,

I want my Final Fantasy now! We haven't had a decent single-player FF since XII, almost a decade ago, and this looks SO DAMN GOOD :(



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KingdomHeartsFan on 13 May 2014
ParryWinkle said:
I'm too hyped for this game. You know this game is going to be amazing when most of the dev team consists of the people who made VI, VII, X, KH, CC and Type-0.


Wright on 13 May 2014
VXIII said:

 

Not really, how can a character be complex and simple ? that doesn't make any sense to me. I can understand some situations require simple or complex reaction, this is normal. But I was saying that the "result" of all that, reactions, traits, motivation..etc which determine the character behavior can't be simple. Hell, we can't even fully understand ourselves, how is that simple ?

I have no Idea who Geralt of Rivia is, so I can't comment on that.

 


There's complexity in being simple; it is no exclusive trait.

 

And Geralt of Rivia is the main character of both The Witcher games and novels.

 

 

A simple guy with a troubled past. He doesn't care about you, nor about himself really (other than staying alive). He hasn't got barely any friends, nor he wants to. He simply exists in times which he doesn't really belong to (think of it as a samurai on XIX Century). He can acomplish a mission which means assassinating someone, only to later kill his contractor because he's about to kill a defendless woman. There's no evolving personality, nor he does really need one. 

He's both simple and complex, and you can't really define him by his actions because he's a walking contradiction. But that doesn't make him less of a character, does it?