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As long as she wears skimpy tights, I'm in.



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burning_phoneix said:

Captain Marvel died I think so Carol Danvers took his place as "Captain". Therefore, the title of Ms.Marvel was vacant.

So, essentially this is like Dick Grayson becoming Batman when Bruce Wayne died and Damian Wayne being the new Robin?

I guess, though might be nice to give her own identity and groom her a while then be Ms. Marvel.  



Augen said:
The biggest issue I have is when they "reboot" established characters in efforts to shoe horn in more diversity. Now, if this was the Green Lantern concept where the object is passed anyone can be it so that is cool, but when they killed Peter Parker and had some afro-Caribbean kid replace him as Spider-Man? Not a fan of replacing Spider-Man at all, and it felt like a marketing effort.

I am perfectly fine with having muslim or what ever heroes, let them stand on their own as opposed to "It's the muslim version of Iron Man or Superman or what have you."

Admittedly I have not kept up with comics for past few years so not sure what has happened (especially since DC completely rebooted their universe).

the original ms marvel turned into Captain Marvel awhile ago, she's the girl with her hands crossed in the panels I've shown, the new ms marvel sees her as a role model and she wants to "Be like her" so she shape shifted to her literally, in the second issue she goes into "not pretend you are someone else is better than trying to be someone you're not" kind of thing, so she learns how to control it.



PullusPardus said:

the original ms marvel turned into Captain Marvel awhile ago, she's the girl with her hands crossed in the panels I've shown, the new ms marvel sees her as a role model and she wants to "Be like her" so she shape shifted to her literally, in the second issue she goes into "not pretend you are someone else is better than trying to be someone you're not" kind of thing, so she learns how to control it.


By "turned into" you mean she took up the mantle or that she physically transubstantiated into a new form?

If it is the former I really don't get the idea that Captain Marvel outranked Ms. Marvel as always thought she was more popular.  Was it an emotional rationale that she is doing it to honor his death?

As for the new character, maybe she will evolve into something distinct and finds her own identity as never been a fan of the "Superman/Supergirl/Superboy" type concept of spin off characters.



Augen said:
PullusPardus said:

the original ms marvel turned into Captain Marvel awhile ago, she's the girl with her hands crossed in the panels I've shown, the new ms marvel sees her as a role model and she wants to "Be like her" so she shape shifted to her literally, in the second issue she goes into "not pretend you are someone else is better than trying to be someone you're not" kind of thing, so she learns how to control it.


By "turned into" you mean she took up the mantle or that she physically transubstantiated into a new form?

If it is the former I really don't get the idea that Captain Marvel outranked Ms. Marvel as always thought she was more popular.  Was it an emotional rationale that she is doing it to honor his death?

As for the new character, maybe she will evolve into something distinct and finds her own identity as never been a fan of the "Superman/Supergirl/Superboy" type concept of spin off characters.

I think you're confusing the DC character captain marvel who is called shazam, other than that I don't really know I'm not a big super hero comic fan I like the shorter story arcs. And non super hero comics



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burning_phoneix said:

Captain Marvel died I think so Carol Danvers took his place as "Captain". Therefore, the title of Ms.Marvel was vacant.

Which one? Genis-vell hasn't been alive for a while. Ms Marvel was Carol until 2012, Captain was Phyla before that.



Hmm, pie.

im not touching this with a ten foot poll. a ban for sure.



 

PullusPardus said:
Augen said:
PullusPardus said:

the original ms marvel turned into Captain Marvel awhile ago, she's the girl with her hands crossed in the panels I've shown, the new ms marvel sees her as a role model and she wants to "Be like her" so she shape shifted to her literally, in the second issue she goes into "not pretend you are someone else is better than trying to be someone you're not" kind of thing, so she learns how to control it.


By "turned into" you mean she took up the mantle or that she physically transubstantiated into a new form?

If it is the former I really don't get the idea that Captain Marvel outranked Ms. Marvel as always thought she was more popular.  Was it an emotional rationale that she is doing it to honor his death?

As for the new character, maybe she will evolve into something distinct and finds her own identity as never been a fan of the "Superman/Supergirl/Superboy" type concept of spin off characters.

I think you're confusing the DC character captain marvel who is called shazam, other than that I don't really know I'm not a big super hero comic fan I like the shorter story arcs. And non super hero comics


This guy, but he never really was a major character, more like third tier hero.  Why I mean Ms. Marvel was a bigger character. It would be like when Jason Todd died Batman became Robin. She moved down into the role of a lesser character...but it's better because..."Captain" is better than "Ms."?



Augen said:
The biggest issue I have is when they "reboot" established characters in efforts to shoe horn in more diversity. Now, if this was the Green Lantern concept where the object is passed anyone can be it so that is cool, but when they killed Peter Parker and had some afro-Caribbean kid replace him as Spider-Man? Not a fan of replacing Spider-Man at all, and it felt like a marketing effort.

I am perfectly fine with having muslim or what ever heroes, let them stand on their own as opposed to "It's the muslim version of Iron Man or Superman or what have you."

Admittedly I have not kept up with comics for past few years so not sure what has happened (especially since DC completely rebooted their universe).


But why does Spiderman have to be a white person? If Peter Parker is killed off and they chose to 're-create Spiderman then why does the new Spiderman have to be a white dude? What exactly is wrong with introducing racial diversity in that way? The way that is contrived and awkward is if Robert Downey stops playing Tony Stark and they replace him with Denzel Washington as Tony Stark. But if Tony Stark either quits or dies then Don Cheadle taking over as Iron man is all good, nes pa?

And of course the other point is we should not be confined by the casual racism of the first 3/4s of the 20th century where almost every Superhero was a white dude, and occasionally a white chick. The fact that our default expectation of a Superhero is they are white means there's still an underlying racial bias.



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LiquorandGunFun said:
im not touching this with a ten foot poll. a ban for sure.


wait why?