The very point is that NPD also has a substantial margin of error (though I would never argue this margin is as big as VGC's).

You get what you pay for.  Ultimately ioi has to rely on a small percentage of retailers to produce weekly numbers (by waiting, NPD can of course wait for firmer numbers from a wider range of suppliers).

Eventually we'll get region by region shipping approximations and get a better idea of what is really going down in NA.  Until then, so much complaining about a set of numbers never claimed to be 100% and provided entirely for free!

all that doesnt mean we cant point out when the numbers logically seem wrong or when we got more concrete data that shows its wrong. 

No it doesn't, and I am not telling you you 'can't' do anything.

I am just saying there seems to be an inordinate amount of whining in this thread (not talking about you) relative to what used to be a large amount of discussing the numbers and accepting them for what they are.

There sure is a lot of what could be considered whining, but mostly is just expressing lack of trust in the tracking method. Because, even though we have to give credit to all the effort puti nto this website and into obtaining sales figures, margin of error of 20% is just unacceptable.

Sure, NPD has a margin of error, but judging by their numbers and the trust that is put into their figures, one can assume that the margin of error is a standard statistical 2-3%. 20% error can easily be achieved without tracking, just by making educated guesses.

Heck, here: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=181370&page=1    in a prediction thread made by 26 users and their educated guesses, only 7 had a worse margin of error for the PS4 prediction.

I personally came to this site years ago drawn here by the numbers and stats, but have since stayed only because of the community, there are a lot of great people here posting in the forums, and most of the time discussions are handled in an educated and civil manner. But I've learned not to pay attention to VGC figures, the site is very useful in  following other trackers and discussing their figures containing much narrower error margins.

20M? So its like 13M to go for the rest of the year... can Sony even produce that much?

Yes. VG is becoming a big joke.

And anyone who dare to say NPD is not better, you should just stop lying one second. NPD is the only thing used by Sony/Nintendo/MS. Not VGchartz and their unaccurate numbers.

You want to talk about February/March's NPD again ? And what VG was saying before that ?

NPD's April gonna be epic. VG won't have any credibility left after that.

Don't worry I don't stay here as often than before. But I will be here to laugh when the times will come.

I wasn't a VG hater. Au contraire, but in February, NPD shows that X1 and PS4 was massively undertracked. I was "wait again ?", last month same thing but for PS4 which won again in US, I was "this time VG will stop bullshiting, it's been too much is a row you know". And now I see the numbers and I'm "Are they trolling ?"

So yeah I want to see VG to fail. They are doing well so far.

Moderated - Kresnik.

Agreed. It's far better to just let said user dig his own grave for our amusement at a future date :D

Sometimes a big fail is all a company needs to turn itself around.

I won't bother naming examples but there are plenty in recent history.