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Zero999 said:
fleischr said:


It hasn't always been that way, and it doesn't have to be that way. Sure, Nintendo's own games sell best on their platforms. But in the N64 days that didn't keep games like Turok, Star Wars Episode 1 Racer, or Kobe Bryant's NBA courtside from being successful.

We'll see a Nintendo platform with solid 3rd party someday in the future again.

Correct, and a nintendo platform with the same third party support as others would dominate. people love to overexaggerate this "nintedo's ips compete with 3rd parties".

So to clarify:  You believe the main reason the Wii U is failing is because of a lack of third party support?



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DialgaMarine said:
It's kind of hard to not be biased if putting their games on the U will only cause them to lose money. It's a money making scheme for developers as much as it is anything else. If people aren't going to buy the games, you can't blame devs for refusing to support.

Exactly.  It isn't biased if its just good business.  It's common sense.



impertinence said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
impertinence said:
Captain_Tom said:

Why is it so hard to believe that third parties have a very valid reason for avoiding Nintendo?

This oft repeated sentence is in itself a great example of bias.


He's right though, they have a valid reason.

A valid reason if you buy into the bias, sure. Anything can be a valid reason. "I don't want to" is a valid reason for anything, it is also heavily dependent on bias.

The statement "Third parties have a good reason to avoid Nintendo" is a steaming pile of confirmation bias.


"But I don't want to, isn't a valid reason. Third parties have very little reason to develope for the wiiu. Nintendo has kind of alienated themselves from devs when they decided to say they didn't need them with the wii generation. Then there's also the fact the wiiu simply doesn't tend to have high sales with almost any game. It's simply not worth the risk to invest into it. 



Captain_Tom said:
DialgaMarine said:
It's kind of hard to not be biased if putting their games on the U will only cause them to lose money. It's a money making scheme for developers as much as it is anything else. If people aren't going to buy the games, you can't blame devs for refusing to support.

Exactly.  It isn't biased if its just good business.  It's common sense.

 Pretty much. The solution to third party problems is simple. If Ninty fans want more third party support, they need to convince themselves and their fellow Wii-U owners to start putting money where their mouths are and buy the third party titles that are already there, instead of sitting around and waiting for the next big Ninty exclusives. It's stupid when they get upset and cry like this when with pretty much every big third party title, the Wii-U version generally accounts for less than 1% of the game's total sales. Not to mention, when they claim the reason they don't buy third party games is because they get the worst versions, they might want to start looking at Nintendo and their hardware department before they start playing the blame game.





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Zero999 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
impertinence said:

A valid reason if you buy into the bias, sure. Anything can be a valid reason. "I don't want to" is a valid reason for anything, it is also heavily dependent on bias.

The statement "Third parties have a good reason to avoid Nintendo" is a steaming pile of confirmation bias.

Bias is prejudice of one thing or person over another. There is no prejudice if you want profit. Having no major market for your products isnt a bias.

the bolded is neither true nor bias for nintendo platforms (or any platform).


Thats not bias...thats survival in business. If Nintendo had the market they would definitely support them. EA doesn't like missing out on profit and they like a quick buck wherever they can get it.



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Third parties always hate Nintendo since the eighties. The main reasons: many would. A major reason is that Nintendo does not depend on third parties games to sell hardware.



S.T.A.G.E. said:

Bias is prejudice of one thing or person over another. There is no prejudice if you want profit. Having no major market for your products isnt a bias.

Your statements afe nonsensical. Of course the statement "having no major market for your products" isn't a bias, however, to hold as true that there is no major market for games on Nintendo hardware is a bias. And if you truly believe that there is no bias in how companies try to make a profit, you are sorely mistaken. The videogame industry is overflowing with decissions made based on the purest of bias, including Nintendo. There is also easy to see that there are strong biases against Nintendo from fans and many, many developers.

There are also biases against Sony and Microsoft, but in the current video game market the echochamber rings loud with the kind of unsubstantiated drivel that you have been parroting in this thread: "There is no market on Wii U for third parties", "The is more profit to be had on the PS4 or Xbox One". etc. Statements like these are inherently biased, but most people are to full of themselves to be able to see their own biases.

When people say "There is no market for our games on the Wii U" that really means "We don't want to make games that will appeal to the users of the Wii U". The bias is in prefering to make a certain type of game marketed at a certain type of gamer that they assume is easier to target on other platforms. Developers making statements like these are hiding their own bias from themselves (Meaning, they dismiss the posibility of creating a different kind of game than what they personally prefer, even though that might very well be much more profitable). And as an extention they are making irrational decisions in the marketplace. The same can be said for all other statements along the lines of "The hardware is too weak for our artistic ambitions", "Our game relies on a robust online infrastructure", etc. etc.

 

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impertinence said:

Your statements afe nonsensical. Of course the statement "having no major market for your products" isn't a bias, however, to hold as true that there is no major market for games on Nintendo hardware is a bias. And if you truly believe that there is no bias in how companies try to make a profit, you are sorely mistaken. The videogame industry is overflowing with decissions made based on the purest of bias, including Nintendo. There is also easy to see that there are strong biases against Nintendo from fans and many, many developers.

There are also biases against Sony and Microsoft, but in the current video game market the echochamber rings loud with the kind of unsubstantiated drivel that you have been parroting in this thread: "There is no market on Wii U for third parties", "The is more profit to be had on the PS4 or Xbox One". etc. Statements like these are inherently biased, but most people are to full of themselves to be able to see their own biases.

When people say "There is no market for our games on the Wii U" that really means "We don't want to make games that will appeal to the users of the Wii U". The bias is in prefering to make a certain type of game marketed at a certain type of gamer that they assume is easier to target on other platforms. Developers making statements like these are hiding their own bias from themselves (Meaning, they dismiss the posibility of creating a different kind of game than what they personally prefer, even though that might very well be much more profitable). And as an extention they are making irrational decisions in the marketplace. The same can be said for all other statements along the lines of "The hardware is too weak for our artistic ambitions", "Our game relies on a robust online infrastructure", etc. etc.

What a load of crap.  You're basically saying that a desk maker is biased because he doesn't also manufacture cars. -__-

How more unreasonable can you get?

Just throwing that here: Business deals aren't made with only one party. It takes two to make a deal. Nintendo is the console maker. They're the one that, ultimately, are responsible for the fate of their consoles. Blaming the third party developers is laughably similar to all those modern parents blaming everyone but themselves for their kid's bad upbringing.



Captain_Tom said:
DialgaMarine said:
It's kind of hard to not be biased if putting their games on the U will only cause them to lose money. It's a money making scheme for developers as much as it is anything else. If people aren't going to buy the games, you can't blame devs for refusing to support.

Exactly.  It isn't biased if its just good business.  It's common sense.

too bad it's not good business, that's why it's obvious bias.



Zero999 said:
Captain_Tom said:
DialgaMarine said:
It's kind of hard to not be biased if putting their games on the U will only cause them to lose money. It's a money making scheme for developers as much as it is anything else. If people aren't going to buy the games, you can't blame devs for refusing to support.

Exactly.  It isn't biased if its just good business.  It's common sense.

too bad it's not good business, that's why it's obvious bias.

Then explain why it is good buisness.

3rd parties supported Wii, that is proof right there.

Maybe if Nintendo sent EA some people over to EA with calculations of how much money they were "losing", they would change thier minds.

its a shame, Nintendo doesn't have enough money to do things to attract 3rd parties unfortunately.



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