Exactly, and I think this data shows that not only is price parity not going to change the situation for XBone,
but that most consumers are valueing Kinect at absolutely ZERO, at least as long as it is connected to the XBone.
(the PS4 camera is even more sold out than the PS4 itself)

To the change the situation, MS will need to de-bundle Kinect AND further subsidize the console.
That may be possible by this next holiday season, but is not remotely sustainable if it does not immediately turn things around.
And I see no reason why Sony itself would not decide to play that subsidy game if MS does,
as it's much less a gamble for them given the demonstrated "natural" demand and userbase/ecosystem lead they already have.
And if Sony does that, then MS' strategy will be entirely pointless at much cost to their bottom line.

But to repeat, it's not all about how get's "#1".  I believe MS can be profitable selling 1/2 the number of PS4's globally.
Instead of throwing money at ineffective console subsidies, they can develop 1st party games (or buy 3rd party exclusivity).
That is what establishes value of their of their console, and crucially, might motivate PS4 owners to buy XBone as a second console.
I'm not sure why dropping Kinect would be crucial to achieving that more likely profitable #2 spot,
so keeping it may be just as good a strategy as making a Kinect-less SKU.  Although they are a minority, the people who ARE buying XBone,
apparently DO think it has some value and are happy with the bundling, so it's plausible that MS can continue with their 1:2 sales ratio.
(I would say that in additional markets PS4 will have further advantage, expanding the ratio in their favor, but MS can still live with their sales)

lol everyone on here knows the tech details, dont pretand not to.

Superior hardware doesnt always mean superior system. 

True but its tech is.  And funny here it does mean just that.  Ps4 is the better system for game development.

When an average joe googles things it becomes blatantly clear PS4 is superior.

Thus a superior product, if that was not bad enough it aso costs less. 

General Superiority is subjective so it cannot be fact especially when different people have different situations. For example, if you want to play TitanFall on a next gen console XB1 is the only option.

If you want media features in a console, XB1 has hdmi in. However, the paywall is absolutely inane and archaic because casuals who would be using the X1 for media would use their smart tv features over their x1 features because they don't play video games so they have no need to pay for multiplayer in order to use YouTube.

PS4 is superior in technical prowess between consoles is a factual statement.

X1 is superior with regards to media features disregarding the paywall, which detracts from this due to idiotic policies.

Paying for YouTube in 2014 is pretty stupid.

That's lovely, but doesn't change the fact that BeElite was playing dumb,
and refusing to acknowledge  by what objective measure PS4 could be considered superior,
not bringing up the difference between hardware vs. other aspects at all,
but bringing up SALES COUNT which CommonNinja never mentioned, nor has anyone posited that as defining "superior system".
Instead of productive engagement and discussion, he quibbles over words over which even he can not provide a better objective definition.
This would seem to be the "obfuscating the circumstances of one's own defeat/humilitation" strategy.

I wouldn't count the One out just yet.  A lot of places were selling the Titanfall bundle at 500$ (like gamestop), and the ones that weren't couldn't advertise the cheaper price, you only found out once putting it in the online shopping cart.

I think once the price is officially dropped to 400$, people will start to bite.  A low sticker price sells better than a higher sticker price with extra goodies thrown in.

A consumer study done, in fact, showed that 9/10 consumers will always go for the product with the lowest sticker price regaurdless if the one with a higher price is better, or has more features.  

I think once they are the same price, coustomers will give the Xbox a chance, and the fact that it has a camera included might just sway some over as they will see it as getting more for thier moneys worth.  At 100$ more though, a lot of people aren't really going to care if it has the camera, not because they don't like it, but just because they don't want to pay 100$ more for it.  If MS throws it in there as a bonus for free (which is how some will view it if they are the same price), then people will be more likely to give the Xbox a chance.

Anyways, a pricedrop still won't do much for Europe (other than the UK).  Microsoft is going to need to win them over with a whole host of exclusives tailored specifically to them if they want that audience.

Ok, first off Xbox One is not "starting to lose 3rd party support with indys".

Microsoft just rebooted thier indy program in August, and the first fruits of that are on thier way.

Also, The Amazing Spiderman 2 is an Isolated case.  It is a game that is still comming to last gen, and EVEN WII U, so don't try and convince me that X1 is loesing 3rd pary support because of this, or that the 32MB of Ram wasn't enough, because if it can run on the 360/ps3, then it can run on X1.  Now mabye it can't run at the same resolution as the PS4, but you don't postpone/cancle a game just because the resolution isn't as high as the other versions.

Ok, so by superior product you mean "more powerfull".

Well I'm not going to argue with you there as you are obviously right, but let me ask you this.

Which was the superior product, The Playstation 2, or the Original Xbox?  Now, which one was more powerfull?

It is not that hard to understand, Commonninja. The PS4 is superior because it is both significantly more powerful, affordable, and dev-friendly, a feat that no console has ever achieved. Why you're suddenly bringing up PS2 and the Xbox is beyond me.

Also, polls have shown that even if the PS4 and the Xbox One have the same price tag, consumers will still prefer the PS4. Just slashing the price of the X1 to $399 will only be a short-term solution, especially when it has less significantly less games supporting the system in comparison to the PS4.