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Forums - Sales Discussion - "The Console Market is Shrinking" is a BS Statement

 

The console market is

shrinking 98 43.36%
 
staying the same 52 23.01%
 
growing 74 32.74%
 
Total:224
ktay95 said:

 

This is why, as BS as it is

2013

Global Hardware by Platform

PlatformYearly (change)Total
3DS 14,843,021 (+5%) 42,205,265
PS3 8,273,274 (-32%) 80,800,487
X360 5,808,811 (-46%) 80,096,282
PS4 4,414,273 (-46%) 4,414,273
WiiU 3,230,633 (+44%) 5,477,849
PSV 3,204,823 (-13%) 7,363,015
XOne 3,073,662 (-13%) 3,073,662
PSP 2,973,884 (-30%) 80,288,234
Wii 1,947,850 (-62%) 100,421,036
DS 818,084 (-73%) 153,814,209
Total48,588,315(-12%) 

 

2012

Global Hardware by Platform

PlatformYearly (change)Total
3DS 14,112,182 (+7%) 27,362,244
PS3 12,150,117 (-15%) 72,527,213
X360 10,677,206 (-22%) 74,287,471
Wii 5,082,024 (-56%) 98,473,186
PSP 4,220,108 (-43%) 77,314,350
PSV 3,674,466 (+663%) 4,156,039
DS 3,012,615 (-66%) 152,996,125
WiiU 2,247,216 (-66%) 2,247,216
Total55,175,934(-20%) 

 

2011

Global Hardware by Platform

PlatformYearly (change)Total
PS3 14,706,691 (+6%) 61,095,333
X360 13,808,365 (+4%) 63,769,444
3DS 13,250,062 (++4%) 13,250,062
Wii 11,522,685 (-33%) 93,428,231
DS 8,759,675 (-57%) 149,983,510
PSP 7,459,539 (-20%) 73,171,078
PSV 481,573 (-20%) 481,573
Total69,988,590(-6%) 

 

2010

Global Hardware by Platform

PlatformYearly (change)Total
DS 20,620,707 (-25%) 141,480,558
Wii 17,320,956 (-18%) 82,096,418
PS3 13,896,438 (+7%) 46,388,642
X360 13,253,914 (+32%) 49,961,079
PSP 9,243,328 (-6%) 65,532,833
Total74,335,343(-9%) 

2009

Global Hardware by Platform

PlatformYearly (change)Total
DS 27,573,530 (-7%) 121,371,545
Wii 21,295,417 (-12%) 64,991,750
PS3 12,997,974 (+27%) 32,376,827
X360 10,160,518 (-7%) 36,932,992
PSP 9,855,987 (-30%) 56,289,505
Total81,883,426(-8%) 

2008

Global Hardware by Platform

PlatformYearly (change)Total
DS 29,663,772 (+1%) 93,798,015
Wii 24,188,263 (+46%) 43,696,333
PSP 14,048,403 (+10%) 46,433,518
X360 10,913,123 (+38%) 26,772,474
PS3 10,204,758 (+29%) 19,378,853
Total89,018,319(+19%) 

Do you see the decline now??

 


why no one is quoting this???

 

oh wait they can always argue that most of the consoles were released in 06-07



 

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Shaunaka said:

This comes up again and again. It's mentioned in forums as if it's a fact (happened today!), and it's pissing me off a lot to be honest. Let's deal with the facts shall we:

Generation 3:

NES + Master System + Atari = 61.91 + 11.8 + 3.77 = 77.48 Million

Generation 4:

SNES + Megadrive + TurboGrafx + CDi = 49.1 + 40 + 10 + 0.57 = 99.67 Million

Generation 5

PS + N64 + Saturn + 3DO + Jaguar = 102 + 32.93 + 9.4 + 2 + 0.25 = 146.58 Million

Generation 6

PS2 + Xbox + Gamecube + Dreamcast = 153.6 + 24 + 22 + 10.6 = 209.2 Million

Generation 7

Wii + PS3 + 360 = 100.6 + 81.6 + 80.6 = 262.8 Million (and counting!!!)


So PLEASE tell me where this BS is coming from!?


Looking at the three consoles, do you see a path to same amount of growth? That would put us at 310 million consoles.  Even if PS4 sells like gangbusters for years getting to PS2 levels is a massive challenge and would leave 160 million consoles for Nintendo and Microsoft to fill in.

Even thinking flat growth (260-270 million) is very optimistic right now for this generation.  We could see PS4 sell 110 million, X1 sell 70 million, Wii U sell 40 million and still be 40 million short of that range.

I think it is completely reasonable to predict roughly 200-220 million sales depending on this generations life span (5-8 years).  That said, I would love to be wrong and see us breakthrough 300 million barrier.



Shaunaka said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:
 

Your ignoring 90% of what I said...also I never said Wii numbers don't count or a ton of 360s were replace etc.   Your grouping me up with other people when were not even saying the same things.  Also you haven't even given your predictions for what this gen will sell, you should sit down and actually think about it.  


The only worthwhile point you have is that people won't buy two consoles because they wouldn't want to pay twice for the online services.

How is Wii U is selling less than Gamecube at the same point in time so at best it will reach GC sales not a worthwhile point?  How is the X1 losing its marketshare in the only places it sells well not a worthwhile point?  You have been proven wrong over and over in this thread and yet you continue to ignore facts, hell someone even showed you hardware sales dropping year over year.  It obvious nothing is gonna get through to you.  You haven't even backed up your claims with anything, just oh well it increased in the past so ofc it has to keep increasing guys!  



Here's a wonderful example of a terrible article that says the console market is in SERIOUS trouble:

http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/09/console-crisis/



Gen 8 will sell less than Gen 7 but don't panic, it'll be entirely due to the decline of Nintendo's casual fanbase. They went from 100m Wii's to WiiU, which is currently tracking behind Gamecube.

Overall the traditional gamesmarket between the Xbox and PS will stay the same, although PS4 will have a really large marketshare.



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Shaunaka said:
Mystro-Sama said:
If this is what it takes to be an analyst then i'd be up to be one. Making bullshit predictions and getting paid for it sounds awesome.


That's a distasteful comment not backed up by anything except bitter resentment.

I'm not making any predictions. I'm saying a common statement is not backed up by data. Please tell me why my gen-over-gen growth graph is flawed. It's as simple and straightforward as can be.

I'm not talking about a possible saturation point based on the growth of potential buyer groups in the world. I'm not talking about World War 3 causing a depression. I'm not talking about the advent of devices that displaces consoles in the living room. I'm talking about the actual sales of consoles every gen. And if you were to look into it then you'd see that people are buying more games now than ever before. So don't come in here and be negative without at least backing up your opinion (which is what exactly!?) with anything. Because people like that don't get the enviable jobs.


... I was talking about industry analysts. wtf? >.>



Well, what analysts have talked about it mostly the 8th generation. At the moment, PS4+X1=Wii sales on a weekly basis. This means Wii will soon surpass PS4, I believe X360 will catch up with X1 unless MS do something extraordinary and the WiiU is lagging behind big time.

Also, developer costs have skyrocketed the last two generations which, compared to the low cost of developing for smartphones and tablets, forces this industry into a new direction. This may not be bad, but this generation will shrink significantly.



KingdomHeartsFan said:

How is Wii U is selling less than Gamecube at the same point in time so at best it will reach GC sales not a worthwhile point?  How is the X1 losing its marketshare in the only places it sells well not a worthwhile point?  You have been proven wrong over and over in this thread and yet you continue to ignore facts, hell someone even showed you hardware sales dropping year over year.  It obvious nothing is gonna get through to you.  You haven't even backed up your claims with anything, just oh well it increased in the past so ofc it has to keep increasing guys!  


"You have been proven wrong over and over in this thread and yet you continue to ignore facts, hell someone even showed you hardware sales dropping year over year."

The very fact that you think that table carries any argumentative weight WHATSOEVER implies that you clearly don't even think for yourself. He even admitted that it was a BS statistic to use. Here it is, short and sweet: That ENTIRE data table is for ONE generation. The BEST SELLING generation. You'll find SIMILAR tables for any generation before it since there is ALWAYS a general trend of decline towards the end of a generation. Moreover, the PS4 and 360 are still expensive compared to what the GC,PS2 and XB sold for! THINK MAN!

The Wii U vs Gamecube argument implies that one should ignore the total sales of a generation and look at specific growth per platform holder. Who's talking about that!? Not me or anyone else.

"It obvious nothing is gonna get through to you."

Look, don't start insulting me for no reason. I've replied to as many posts as possible and as thoroughly as I can. Of course this generation might end up with sales slightly less than the last, but I'm addressing the doomsday people here ok.



Augen said:


Looking at the three consoles, do you see a path to same amount of growth? That would put us at 310 million consoles.  Even if PS4 sells like gangbusters for years getting to PS2 levels is a massive challenge and would leave 160 million consoles for Nintendo and Microsoft to fill in.

Even thinking flat growth (260-270 million) is very optimistic right now for this generation.  We could see PS4 sell 110 million, X1 sell 70 million, Wii U sell 40 million and still be 40 million short of that range.

I think it is completely reasonable to predict roughly 200-220 million sales depending on this generations life span (5-8 years).  That said, I would love to be wrong and see us breakthrough 300 million barrier.


It can't keep on growing like that forever, and 310M is a little high in anyone's books I think. This gen might end up similar to the last one. The specific point of this thread (and lots of people are getting upset and don't seem to realize this) is that there are doomsday-sayers out there who talk about the shrinking console market all the time and it's bullshit. Simple as that. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't grow much.



Mystro-Sama said:
Shaunaka said:
Mystro-Sama said:
If this is what it takes to be an analyst then i'd be up to be one. Making bullshit predictions and getting paid for it sounds awesome.


That's a distasteful comment not backed up by anything except bitter resentment.

I'm not making any predictions. I'm saying a common statement is not backed up by data. Please tell me why my gen-over-gen growth graph is flawed. It's as simple and straightforward as can be.

I'm not talking about a possible saturation point based on the growth of potential buyer groups in the world. I'm not talking about World War 3 causing a depression. I'm not talking about the advent of devices that displaces consoles in the living room. I'm talking about the actual sales of consoles every gen. And if you were to look into it then you'd see that people are buying more games now than ever before. So don't come in here and be negative without at least backing up your opinion (which is what exactly!?) with anything. Because people like that don't get the enviable jobs.


... I was talking about industry analysts. wtf? >.>


wow that's embarrassing. I'm replying to a lot of comments here and some people are getting upset it seams so please forgive me for this one? :)