| Uabit said: This remembers me a little what happened with the "hidden power" of the cell processor. The difference is that Microsoft is not like Sony and they normally say the truth. |
Hahah nice one!
UTKresh said:
you are right. here the full directX 12 presentation btw: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/65778-directx-12-detailed-dx11-gpu-compatibility-more.html multi-threading is still 50% more efficient than before though. (tested on 3D Mark) seems like PCs are going to get more of a boost out of DX12 than X1. Awesome for my gaming PC =). |
This is the most common mistakes from beginners...
Not only Xbone will get better software and development tools, also PS4 will get better and better year after year, like all consoles of all time; this is not the tomato special souce exclusive to MS. The Gap will never get smaller. PS4 has a superior hardware by a significant margin and this will never change. Both PS4 and Xbone will be better year by year, simply PS4 will always be better. Deal with that, and let's enjoy the game experience. Also, with PS4, 1st party devs will be able to go more close to the metal, so basicly I see the gap getting bigger, and not the opposite.
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Nate4Drake said:
This is the most common mistakes from beginners... Not only Xbone will get better software and development tools, also PS4 will get better and better year after year, like all consoles of all time; this is not the tomato special souce exclusive to MS. The Gap will never get smaller. PS4 has a superior hardware by a significant margin and this will never change. Both PS4 and Xbone will be better year by year, simply PS4 will always be better. Deal with that, and let's enjoy the game experience. Also, with PS4, 1st party devs will be able to go more close to the metal, so basicly I see the gap getting bigger, and not the opposite. |
thats nonsense. the ps4 is a not by a significant margin stronger. the ps4 architecture is completly different than the x1 architecture. the x1 has a disadvantage in gpu and DDR3 vs GDDR5 performance. it has a superior cache (eSRAM) advantage though as well as 4 move engines embedded on the gpu (http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-durangos-move-engines/). does this make the x1 stronger? absolutely not. its a fact that the ps4 has more raw-power in a fashioned manner. x1 is different, has less raw-power and needs more finesse developing. the x1 is in a worse position atm, especially on the API side of things. but you can be sure, it will decrease the gap. directX 12 is the first step to it and more will follow. read this article: http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/so-could-the-x1s-secret-sauce-be-voxel-cone-ray-tracing.453362563/ . this will open your mind a little. there is much more to graphics-developing than pure raw-power.
i am not saying that the x1 is going to surpass the ps4. i am just pointing out, that the x1 has strengths in other departments and that its going to decrease the current gap.
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UTKresh said: thats nonsense. the ps4 is a not by a significant margin stronger. the ps4 architecture is completly different than the x1 architecture. the x1 has a disadvantage in gpu and DDR3 vs GDDR5 performance. it has a superior cache (eSRAM) advantage though as well as 4 move engines embedded on the gpu (http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-durangos-move-engines/). does this make the x1 stronger? absolutely not. its a fact that the ps4 has more raw-power in a fashioned manner. x1 is different, has less raw-power and needs more finesse developing. the x1 is in a worse position atm, especially on the API side of things. but you can be sure, it will decrease the gap. directX 12 is the first step to it and more will follow. read this article: http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/so-could-the-x1s-secret-sauce-be-voxel-cone-ray-tracing.453362563/ . this will open your mind a little. there is much more to graphics-developing than pure raw-power. i am not saying that the x1 is going to surpass the ps4. i am just pointing out, that the x1 has strengths in other departments and that its going to decrease the current gap. |
To put in simples words...
Everything you can do on Xbone can be done on PS4 with close to 40% better performance... both consoles uses the same hardware, so you can compare directly.
The DataMoves are used to move data from the DDR3 to eSRAM in parallel due the slow memory bandwidth... PS4 have fast memory bandwidth and it didn't need DataMoves.
In fact if you choose to says eSRAM is a superior cache then I can say PS4 have 8GB of this superior cache... in easy words PS4 have 8GB of eSRAM to work while Xbone just 32MB.
Great news. Some developers already have access to it. This is brilliant. Cant wait to see games in 2015.
"Double" performance... wtf ever.
Gotta love PR people.
Take away: There will be a noticeable performance improvement on most games when DX12 releases on XBoxOne.
ethomaz said:
To put in simples words... Everything you can do on Xbone can be done on PS4 with close to 40% better performance... both consoles uses the same hardware, so you can compare directly. The DataMoves are used to move data from the DDR3 to eSRAM in parallel due the slow memory bandwidth... PS4 have fast memory bandwidth and it didn't need DataMoves. In fact if you choose to says eSRAM is a superior cache then I can say PS4 have 8GB of this superior cache... in easy words PS4 have 8GB of eSRAM to work while Xbone just 32MB. |
GDDR5 is not a cache. eSRAM is. to simplify it for you: its like an accelerator for the slow DDR3 ram.
its a complete different solution to GDDR5.
hardware architecture design is something we can not judge that easily.
X1 may be ~40% slower out of the box, but that´s due to its different architecture mostly. due to its eSRAM-DDR3 architecture, the X1 needs cache optimization to perform well unlike the PS4. the first set of X1 multiplat games definitely showed this. wait for the second row of games. the gap will decrease.
| superchunk said: "Double" performance... wtf ever. Gotta love PR people. Take away: There will be a noticeable performance improvement on most games when DX12 releases on XBoxOne. |
Theres no reason this guy would PR for MS. Hes obviously noticed a big difference firsthand. I d think x2 is exagerated, but PDZ - Halo 4 diference I can believe.
| brighat said: I wish people would forget about the specs of the Xbox One and just enjoy the games. |
I agree with you. Sadly this will never happen, until those idiot PR people STFU!
Tifa got MOVES!
Lol....dat cloud/DX12
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