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OriGin said:
 Why do people want Sony to fail so badly?

 The Sony BashWagon is a pop culture trend right now.  M$ also had its share during the Windows ME era, and we can probably expect the negativity toward that company when people realize they are being forced to switch to Vista.

 

Probably the Sony one started with the rootkit, delaying PS3 to Europe, and releasing a $600 price tag.   



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FinalEvangelion said:
OriGin said:
Why do people want Sony to fail so badly?

The Sony BashWagon is a pop culture trend right now. M$ also had its share during the Windows ME era, and we can probably expect the negativity toward that company when people realize they are being forced to switch to Vista.

 

Probably the Sony one started with the rootkit, delaying PS3 to Europe, and releasing a $600 price tag.


And because of Sony's PR being retarded (there are tons of examples of that as we all know), and because of them offering a lower quality PS3 in Europe for a bigger price... And because of the Blu-Ray shoving.



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OriGin said:
Wow... even I think that some people in this thread are far to negative on the PS3. I don't think there is anything to worry about... doom and gloom callers for the PS3 are simply optimistic thinking fans of opposing consoles. Why do people want Sony to fail so badly? There is a reason the PS2 won last generation, and that's because there was the biggest selection of best games on PS2. Why do people want the company that brought you that to fail? Or the PS3 to fail? 1. The PS3 is a magnificent piece of hardware, why talk it down for? The things it's capable of and the things Cell is capable of are mighty impressive. 2. The Wii can't do everything the PS3 can and the PS3 can't do everything the Wii can... they are meant for different purposes, but I'd rather have both. HD graphics are something I personally can't live without and if all the games consoles were as powerful as the Wii I would be upset because I like the leap in power. 3. I don't think PS3 is doomed, not when the good games come and not when the price goes down... most people are waiting for these reasons to buy one and Sony is in their transition period, they are supporting TWO consoles at the moment, introducing one while the other one dies. It's not hard math.. All of that said I don't think the PS3 will be the market leader this gen, but people thinking that devs are going to pull all their efforts AWAY from PS3 in favor of Wii or 360 are mad. + Gran Turismo 5 is enough alone to keep the PS3 alive.

Nobody wants it to fail, OriGin. Microsoft is the real monster I'm worried about and Sony staves them off. Sony needs a humblin', hell yeah, and they're getting it but no one really wants them to fail.

We're just calling it like it is, man. You don't come back from a performance like this. E3 2005 they were on top of the world. What should have been E3 2007 they're down in the dumps.

Best case scenario is that they make a miracle climb to a distant 2nd over Microsoft and stay around for a PS4. That's the BEST case scenario. They let ego destroy them. The two PlayStations succeeded off of Pyrrhic Victories. Their ability to maintain was always in danger during the past 11 years. Total dominance just to make a slight profit in comparison to expenditure. That wasn't gonna cut it if the competition ever stepped up their game and challenged them.

They got caught in the middle between Wii's innovation and Microsoft's powergames. Sixaxis Vs. Cell. They depend on 3rd party who is only loyal to the dollarmakers. They never had a iconic 1st party that can move systems for decades on end. You always need 1st party. That has never changed even if it's gotten overshadowed the past decade.

We're just seeing the writing on the wall. E3 2006 told the story of how this race was gonna turn out. This is really not a surprise. We're just gonna have to see if Sony chooses to stay in the games business after not succeeding. Without Kutaragi behind SCEI I wonder if that's possible.

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OriGin said:
Wow... even I think that some people in this thread are far to negative on the PS3. I don't think there is anything to worry about... doom and gloom callers for the PS3 are simply optimistic thinking fans of opposing consoles. Why do people want Sony to fail so badly? There is a reason the PS2 won last generation, and that's because there was the biggest selection of best games on PS2. Why do people want the company that brought you that to fail? Or the PS3 to fail?

1. The PS3 is a magnificent piece of hardware, why talk it down for? The things it's capable of and the things Cell is capable of are mighty impressive.

2. The Wii can't do everything the PS3 can and the PS3 can't do everything the Wii can... they are meant for different purposes, but I'd rather have both. HD graphics are something I personally can't live without and if all the games consoles were as powerful as the Wii I would be upset because I like the leap in power.

3. I don't think PS3 is doomed, not when the good games come and not when the price goes down... most people are waiting for these reasons to buy one and Sony is in their transition period, they are supporting TWO consoles at the moment, introducing one while the other one dies. It's not hard math..

All of that said I don't think the PS3 will be the market leader this gen, but people thinking that devs are going to pull all their efforts AWAY from PS3 in favor of Wii or 360 are mad. + Gran Turismo 5 is enough alone to keep the PS3 alive.

 

1. Its really doesn't matter what the PS3 is capable of without games. The X-box and Gamecube were more capable than the PS2. Yet the PS2 dominated the market.

2. They both have different philosphies behind them but at the core they are game consoles. They are meant to play games. All of the extraneous features whether it be the Wii Weather Channel or Folding@Home are inconsequential to most gamers.

3. This is the same flawed argument I see repeated constantly. The PS3 is not going to get more and more good games with substandard sales. The slowest selling console gets the least support. It was assumed that the PS3 would be the market leader so developers threw the majority of their support behind it. Now that PS3 is out and its is continuing to lag behind in sales more and more developers are shifting their support behind the Wii and the 360. At first it was smaller developers like From Software but now its larger developers like EA, Capcom, Sega, and Namco. Your point about them being in transition is moot. They were in transition when the PS2 launched. The PS2 took seven years to get to weekly hardware sales level that the PS3 is at in Japan after six months.

People that think developers are going to pull their efforts from PS3 and on to the 360 and Wii aren't mad. They are just stating the facts. Developers are already doing this. The PS3 is not only lagging behind in hardware sales but its lagging behind software sales as well. This is understandable in the US and Europe because it is behind both the Wii and 360 in hardware sales, but not in Japan. The PS3 has outsold the 360 2.5 to 1 in Japan and yet the 360 has continued to sell more software.

I will ask this question. Maybe someone will finally answer it. I have seen the argument used that the PS3 will make some sort of comeback in a couple of years. What is this based on? In a couple of years the PS3 will be a niche console. If you look at history the only console to make a comeback over a major competitor was the SNES. Its never sold as poorly in comparison to the competition as the PS3. Unlike the PS3, the SNES was competitive from a pricing standpoint from the beginning.  



OriGin said:
 Why do people want Sony to fail so badly?

 

Because Sony was too damned arrogant this time. The price for starters, then all the idiotic comments made by Sony people,(people will work harder to buy it, 5 million will buy without games, etc etc) bundling of BluRay. They thought the word "Playstation" was just irresistible, no matter the price tag. Well, tough. I, for one, believe that they could have launched at 400$ without BluRay. Then it could have been a completely different story. As much as I dislike Microsoft, they did get one thing right: HD-DVD is optional. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Sony, (have a PS2), but I do think they need a nice slap in the face from reality at the moment. 

 



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Darc Requiem said:

OriGin said:
Wow... even I think that some people in this thread are far to negative on the PS3. I don't think there is anything to worry about... doom and gloom callers for the PS3 are simply optimistic thinking fans of opposing consoles. Why do people want Sony to fail so badly? There is a reason the PS2 won last generation, and that's because there was the biggest selection of best games on PS2. Why do people want the company that brought you that to fail? Or the PS3 to fail?

1. The PS3 is a magnificent piece of hardware, why talk it down for? The things it's capable of and the things Cell is capable of are mighty impressive.

2. The Wii can't do everything the PS3 can and the PS3 can't do everything the Wii can... they are meant for different purposes, but I'd rather have both. HD graphics are something I personally can't live without and if all the games consoles were as powerful as the Wii I would be upset because I like the leap in power.

3. I don't think PS3 is doomed, not when the good games come and not when the price goes down... most people are waiting for these reasons to buy one and Sony is in their transition period, they are supporting TWO consoles at the moment, introducing one while the other one dies. It's not hard math..

All of that said I don't think the PS3 will be the market leader this gen, but people thinking that devs are going to pull all their efforts AWAY from PS3 in favor of Wii or 360 are mad. + Gran Turismo 5 is enough alone to keep the PS3 alive.

 

1. Its really doesn't matter what the PS3 is capable of without games. The X-box and Gamecube were more capable than the PS2. Yet the PS2 dominated the market.

2. They both have different philosphies behind them but at the core they are game consoles. They are meant to play games. All of the extraneous features whether it be the Wii Weather Channel or Folding@Home are inconsequential to most gamers.

3. This is the same flawed argument I see repeated constantly. The PS3 is not going to get more and more good games with substandard sales. The slowest selling console gets the least support. It was assumed that the PS3 would be the market leader so developers threw the majority of their support behind it. Now that PS3 is out and its is continuing to lag behind in sales more and more developers are shifting their support behind the Wii and the 360. At first it was smaller developers like From Software but now its larger developers like EA, Capcom, Sega, and Namco. Your point about them being in transition is moot. They were in transition when the PS2 launched. The PS2 took seven years to get to weekly hardware sales level that the PS3 is at in Japan after six months.

People that think developers are going to pull their efforts from PS3 and on to the 360 and Wii aren't mad. They are just stating the facts. Developers are already doing this. The PS3 is not only lagging behind in hardware sales but its lagging behind software sales as well. This is understandable in the US and Europe because it is behind both the Wii and 360 in hardware sales, but not in Japan. The PS3 has outsold the 360 2.5 to 1 in Japan and yet the 360 has continued to sell more software.

I will ask this question. Maybe someone will finally answer it. I have seen the argument used that the PS3 will make some sort of comeback in a couple of years. What is this based on? In a couple of years the PS3 will be a niche console. If you look at history the only console to make a comeback over a major competitor was the SNES. Its never sold as poorly in comparison to the competition as the PS3. Unlike the PS3, the SNES was competitive from a pricing standpoint from the beginning.  


 

 

The fact is that each and every game announced recently is also planned for the PS3 .The fact is that it will get 100% support from the occidental and japanese developer community and that the X360 wont get as much in the later excepting some heavy hitters as Capcom or Namco.The fact is that as hard as you want to believe otherwise  the PS3 actually , and with its poor sales , is selling more worlwide that the X360 .The fact is that the supposed X360 domination worlwide depends on the PS3 selling 10-15K consoles per week in Japan because once it arrives to the 25K figures it will put nearly 100K consoles of difference per month against the 65K-70K monthly advantage  the X360 can actually manage in the USA (and that without having in count the european sales ,where even if it was selling slowly the PS3 would still beat the lagging X360 ) .

 The fact is that the PS3 is very expensive and doesnt have too much games as most are in developement right now .Once the games start flowing and maybe the price gets cut we will see how much the PS3 can sell ,right now we are selling how much the X360 can sell at 400 and it isnt more than the PS3 at 600 ..its natural to understand the PS3 at 400 and with more games will do way better .



cansan said:
OriGin said:
Why do people want Sony to fail so badly?

 

Because Sony was too damned arrogant this time. The price for starters, then all the idiotic comments made by Sony people,(people will work harder to buy it, 5 million will buy without games, etc etc) bundling of BluRay. They thought the word "Playstation" was just irresistible, no matter the price tag. Well, tough. I, for one, believe that they could have launched at 400$ without BluRay. Then it could have been a completely different story. As much as I dislike Microsoft, they did get one thing right: HD-DVD is optional. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Sony, (have a PS2), but I do think they need a nice slap in the face from reality at the moment.

 


 they have the right to be... they are actually delivering some of their promises and it pisses ninis like weezy off. Really free online play and web browsing. Hmm.. check. Blu-Ray makes a difference in game.. check. Full game store with downloadable content. Check. A game that matches its CG trailer.. check. Only problem is its $600 which once they cut the price things will be different. More people are whiling to pay $500 then $600. 

 

 



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Diomedes1976 said:
 

The fact is that the PS3 is very expensive and doesnt have too much games as most are in developement right now .Once the games start flowing and maybe the price gets cut we will see how much the PS3 can sell ,right now we are selling how much the X360 can sell at 400 and it isnt more than the PS3 at 600 ..its natural to understand the PS3 at 400 and with more games will do way better .


Do you realize that once the games start flowing for the PS3 they'll also be flowing (and much better) for the 360? Do you realize that the 360 will always be cheaper than the PS3? Did you read the thread about Halo 3 preorders? 



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ssj12 said:
cansan said:
OriGin said:
Why do people want Sony to fail so badly?

 

Because Sony was too damned arrogant this time. The price for starters, then all the idiotic comments made by Sony people,(people will work harder to buy it, 5 million will buy without games, etc etc) bundling of BluRay. They thought the word "Playstation" was just irresistible, no matter the price tag. Well, tough. I, for one, believe that they could have launched at 400$ without BluRay. Then it could have been a completely different story. As much as I dislike Microsoft, they did get one thing right: HD-DVD is optional. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Sony, (have a PS2), but I do think they need a nice slap in the face from reality at the moment.

 


they have the right to be... they are actually delivering some of their promises and it pisses ninis like weezy off. Really free online play and web browsing. Hmm.. check. Blu-Ray makes a difference in game.. check. Full game store with downloadable content. Check. A game that matches its CG trailer.. check. Only problem is its $600 which once they cut the price things will be different. More people are whiling to pay $500 then $600.

 

 


Online play worse than in the 360... check. Half-assed backwards compatibility in the PAL PS3 (and probably in other versions too, soon)... check. Most people not caring about the Blu-Ray drive for movies... check. Fact that we've yet to see how much of a benefit Blu-Ray will be for games... check.

 If you think Sony has the right to be that arrogant, see how many of their promises and claims are actually turning out to be right. They once said they'd give $1200 to everyone who saw a PS3 on the shelves (at a time when there were dozens). They said that they'd sell 5 million PS3 even without games. We have games right now, and 5 million PS3? Maybe on the shelves, certainly not at people's houses...



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NJ5 said:
Diomedes1976 said:
 

The fact is that the PS3 is very expensive and doesnt have too much games as most are in developement right now .Once the games start flowing and maybe the price gets cut we will see how much the PS3 can sell ,right now we are selling how much the X360 can sell at 400 and it isnt more than the PS3 at 600 ..its natural to understand the PS3 at 400 and with more games will do way better .


Do you realize that once the games start flowing for the PS3 they'll also be flowing (and much better) for the 360? Do you realize that the 360 will always be cheaper than the PS3? Did you read the thread about Halo 3 preorders? 


I think most people who want Halo 3 has already bought the console .

I realize the games have alredy being flowing for the X360 for some months (although we are in something as a software drought ) and saw the sales of the console then .

 Price drops are less and less meaningful in the lower end .To explain better this ,right now the PS3 has access to a very small demographic wanting to spend 600 into a games machine .The demographics for spending 400 are way greater ,and the 250 price tag of the Wii grants access to the mass market nearly ..that acces would be about 180-200.The PS3 can gain access to more demographics that the X360 according to price drops ,the X360 already has many of these and still can outsell the PS3 by much .In fact ,worlwide the PS3 is outselling the X360 .