Sony Nintendo and MS take inspiration from everywhere that's the thing. People are quick to say MS just bought Primesense technology but try hard to prove that Sony did everything by themselves like they were the first and only company to try new things. Seriously just like I said, review your history.

There are many gaming and technology companies around the world and a lot of the companies that come up with many technologies found in gaming are not gaming related. Motion controls using a camera has been tested long before even Nintendo came in the games industry. VR immersion was tested long before Playstation, in fact a lot of companies tested VR but most of them failed... to have tried the Oculus Rift I understand why and I'm about sure Sony's Morpheus will just be another "me too" attempt. Microsoft will come up with their idea, Apple, Samsung etc etc... 

Anyway... I can't blame you for not knowing, but not wanting to know and keeping the misinformation is why I laugh right now... all hail Sony!

I don't see Nintendo as a direct competitor to the others anymore. They are going in a completely different direction soon with QoL and if it turns out to be a big success I think they will move away from the core home consoles and just focus on that along with handhelds.

MS and Sony both need each other. Both companies have done plenty of stupid things and needed a kick in the ass from each other to keep in check. It would be a huge blow for the industry if either of them ever left for whatever reason.

No need to be on the defensive lol.

He is just taking Sony fans as an exemple because it is the main majority on this website but obviously it is the same for any fan base. His point is good and nothing has been discredited because of this statement...

OP: Cannot agree more with you.

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Me: "Inspiration goes both ways and nearly all products are just refinements of existing products."

You: "all hail Sony!"

Hahaha yeah you're right on this one... I'm so used to the constant "Sony came up with this first!" bs that I immediately thought that was what you meant in the first place. But at the same time I never said that Sony copied anything Nintendo did. We both are saying every company inspire each other. 

Xbox One is selling much better than X360, it's not doomed. But the Wii U until mario kart arrives won't sell well anymore and if it doesn't sell well for a few weeks with mario kart i consider that console dead.

Hey I don't mind. Price drops in UK, Xbox deals left and right. X1 selling great on its own steam.

PS4 PS Plus isn't giving away retail games for rent (yet), raised prices in Canada, and isn't offering any retail incentives.

A corporations generosity is only as good as their marketshare isn't ;).

If competition is so good then why do MS and nitendo fans hope sony go bankrupt?

Anyway, I disagree with you on innovations. Sony make the most innovations where the core market comes first. nintendo and MS are just trying to pocket money from casuals. Nintendo did it successfully with the wii (even then the casuals came and left within a generation), but thats about it. To respect that would be like respecting mobile or facebook games.... will never happen.

Criticising sony for sticking with the core market is a baseless argument.

Sony fans haven't wished doom on Nintendo. They've just done so poorly this gen (partially because they alienated a lot of people last gen, partially because "the games" that people keep bringing up (Smash, MK8, etc), people don't care enough to buy the system for (see Gamecube and N64)) that "doom" is just a gut reaction. Nobody wants Nintendo to fail, but if they don't get their act together, failure will happen, so the "doom" coming from supposed Sony fans is more reactive than proactive.

Regarding MS, EVERYONE has jumped on them, and that's their own fault. All that buffoonery with DRM and needing to always be online, jacking up the price of the XBone with a Kinect that no one wants...we know where their intentions are: screwing us. And we (read: all of us, not just Sony fans) don't like it.

If you're gonna be talking up the XBone then:

1.) I wouldn't talk about PS Plus and what games it's giving out on PS4 when Games with Gold isn't even out for XBone yet. And the PS3 offerings >>>> X360 offerings

2. Prices are back to normal in Canada (which may coincide with the cargo transport workers strike ending recently)

3. I guess Killzone and Infamous just don't count, but Titanfall and Ryse do for XBone? Not to mention that Sony is making a big push for digital with Day 1 downloads, indies, and F2P games. "Retail incentives" is irrelevant for PS4.  Not to say that PS4 doesn't need big games to be more attractive, but you're saying "no retail incentive" as compared to the XBone to make the XBone look better, even though Infamous just launched, Killzone and Knack have been out, and if you like NBA, CoD, Battlefield, Assassin's Creed, etc....are you gonna drop $400 or $500 to play them right now. Obviously something is making people buy the PS4 en masse. If people really don't care about the games that are being offered right now, and what you say is true and the sales are through the roof merely because they're more available to be sold....you're saying that gamers are ignorant of all the offerings on PS4 and are just buying a paperweight to seem "cool".