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Michael-5 on 31 March 2014
curl-6 said:
Michael-5 said:

Both the 3DS & Vita are selling worse then the DS/PSP.

3DS numbers aren't bad, but they are still 50% of DS #'s. Vita's doing bad because the lack of 1st party support. I mean I want a Vita and so far the only game I want is Uncharted (not a Killzone fan, and Resistance is meh).

Do you think franchise fatigue plays no role at all in 3DS's/WiiU's poorer sales?

DS and PSP were not under as much threat from smartphones, and PSP had Monster Hunter to fave its bacon.

Since software drives hardware, Mario fatigue has indeed resulted in it pushing less hardware in my view, yes.

That's true, and PSP had a lot more then just Monster Hunter. Gran Turismo, God of War, Grand Theft Auto, plus lots of support from Square Enix (Crisis Core, FF remakes, etc)



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curl-6 on 31 March 2014
Michael-5 said:
curl-6 said:
Michael-5 said:

Both the 3DS & Vita are selling worse then the DS/PSP.

3DS numbers aren't bad, but they are still 50% of DS #'s. Vita's doing bad because the lack of 1st party support. I mean I want a Vita and so far the only game I want is Uncharted (not a Killzone fan, and Resistance is meh).

Do you think franchise fatigue plays no role at all in 3DS's/WiiU's poorer sales?

DS and PSP were not under as much threat from smartphones, and PSP had Monster Hunter to fave its bacon.

Since software drives hardware, Mario fatigue has indeed resulted in it pushing less hardware in my view, yes.

That's true, and PSP had a lot more then just Monster Hunter. Gran Turismo, God of War, Grand Theft Auto, plus lots of support from Square Enix (Crisis Core, FF remakes, etc)

MH was PSP's Pokemon/Wii Sports/Halo though, the one series that made it huge. (in Japan)



Soundwave on 31 March 2014
Michael-5 said:
curl-6 said:
Soundwave said:

It's trending lower than the GBA too. Nintendo has not had handheld sales this soft since the 1990s before Pokemon was created. 

That's a big part of the reason why the "doesn't matter if Wii U bombs, like the GameCube days, Nintendo will just make money off their handheld" doesn't work and they are in fact posting operating losses (3 years counting now). 

GBA didn't have to fight Smartphone encroachment.

Compare 3DS to Vita...

Both the 3DS & Vita are selling worse then the DS/PSP.

3DS numbers aren't bad, but they are still 50% of DS #'s. Vita's doing bad because the lack of 1st party support. I mean I want a Vita and so far the only game I want is Uncharted (not a Killzone fan, and Resistance is meh).

Do you think franchise fatigue plays no role at all in 3DS's/WiiU's poorer sales?


Yes franchise fatigue plays a part, but people also underestimate how "fresh" Mario seemed last gen, because what happened is Wii Sports/Brain Training/Wii Fit etc. brought in all these people who hadn't bought a Nintendo console since the NES or SNES and wouldn't have bought one otherwise. But once they were there, suddenly Mario seemed like a very nice thing to induldge in as they hadn't played a Mario or Mario Kart in 10-15+ years for a lot of people. 

That aspect is also gone from Nintendo this generation, now it's just "oh another New Super Mario Bros", even though NSMBU honestly is a better game than either the DS or Wii ones. 



Lonely_Dolphin on 31 March 2014
curl-6 said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

Nah, people just didn't want the GCN as they've just been wanting Nintendo consoles less and less barring Wii with it's motion controls. A game can only sell as much as the console allows it to, and Sunshine did great for itself with that in mind, and so will SM3DW and NSMBU. MK8 and SSB4 are also gonna be pulling numbers similar to their GCN counterparts. Afterall you can't possibly expect Mario Kart to do 30+ million again on a console with sub 20 million sales.

One of the biggest factors in what makes people want a console is its software.

Sunshine is part of the reason GCN didn't sell too hot, just as 3D World is part of the reason Wii U isn't selling so hot.



Once again using logic that goes against your belief of MK8 n SSB4 selling Wii U's, as both MK and SSB among many other of nintendo franchises have also seen iterations released on past consoles, yet those consoles still failed to outsell their predecessors. So once again, tell me why Kart n Smash are all of a sudden gonne sell enough consoles now to break the trend when they never ever have before.

curl-6 on 31 March 2014
Einsam_Delphin said:
curl-6 said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

Nah, people just didn't want the GCN as they've just been wanting Nintendo consoles less and less barring Wii with it's motion controls. A game can only sell as much as the console allows it to, and Sunshine did great for itself with that in mind, and so will SM3DW and NSMBU. MK8 and SSB4 are also gonna be pulling numbers similar to their GCN counterparts. Afterall you can't possibly expect Mario Kart to do 30+ million again on a console with sub 20 million sales.

One of the biggest factors in what makes people want a console is its software.

Sunshine is part of the reason GCN didn't sell too hot, just as 3D World is part of the reason Wii U isn't selling so hot.


Once again using logic that goes against your belief of MK8 n SSB4 selling Wii U's, as both MK and SSB among many other of nintendo franchises have also seen iterations released on past consoles, yet those consoles still failed to outsell their predecessors. So once again, tell me why Kart n Smash are all of a sudden gonne sell enough consoles now to break the trend when they never ever have before.

This "trend" isn't really a trend at all, because as I've said, each console selling less was not for the same continuous reasons each time. It's a not a trend, it's a serious of individual and different mistakes.



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Michael-5 on 31 March 2014
curl-6 said:
Michael-5 said:

That's true, and PSP had a lot more then just Monster Hunter. Gran Turismo, God of War, Grand Theft Auto, plus lots of support from Square Enix (Crisis Core, FF remakes, etc)

MH was PSP's Pokemon/Wii Sports/Halo though, the one series that made it huge. (in Japan)

In Japan.....In Japan.

PSP did well outside of Japan too, and it wasn't because of Monster Hunter.



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curl-6 on 31 March 2014
Michael-5 said:
curl-6 said:
Michael-5 said:

That's true, and PSP had a lot more then just Monster Hunter. Gran Turismo, God of War, Grand Theft Auto, plus lots of support from Square Enix (Crisis Core, FF remakes, etc)

MH was PSP's Pokemon/Wii Sports/Halo though, the one series that made it huge. (in Japan)

In Japan.....In Japan.

PSP did well outside of Japan too, and it wasn't because of Monster Hunter.

PSP got bitchslapped by DS outside Japan. Only there was it even close to competitive.



Michael-5 on 31 March 2014
curl-6 said:
Michael-5 said:
curl-6 said:
Michael-5 said:

That's true, and PSP had a lot more then just Monster Hunter. Gran Turismo, God of War, Grand Theft Auto, plus lots of support from Square Enix (Crisis Core, FF remakes, etc)

MH was PSP's Pokemon/Wii Sports/Halo though, the one series that made it huge. (in Japan)

In Japan.....In Japan.

PSP did well outside of Japan too, and it wasn't because of Monster Hunter.

PSP got bitchslapped by DS outside Japan. Only there was it even close to competitive.

PSP did alright in Europe (50% as well as DS as opposed to 66% as well in Japan). I think Gran Turismo was one of the big games to help it.

I think Gran Turismo helped push just an many units (outside of Japan) as Monster Hunter pushed inside it.



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curl-6 on 31 March 2014
Michael-5 said:
curl-6 said:

PSP got bitchslapped by DS outside Japan. Only there was it even close to competitive.

PSP did alright in Europe (50% as well as DS as opposed to 66% as well in Japan). I think Gran Turismo was one of the big games to help it.

I think Gran Turismo helped push just an many units (outside of Japan) as Monster Hunter pushed inside it.

Monster Hunter wasn't just one game, it was a series of megahit games, like COD in the West. PSP became the go-to console for a popular series, it was like if COD went Xbone exclusive.



Lonely_Dolphin on 31 March 2014
curl-6 said:
Einsam_Delphin said:
curl-6 said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

Nah, people just didn't want the GCN as they've just been wanting Nintendo consoles less and less barring Wii with it's motion controls. A game can only sell as much as the console allows it to, and Sunshine did great for itself with that in mind, and so will SM3DW and NSMBU. MK8 and SSB4 are also gonna be pulling numbers similar to their GCN counterparts. Afterall you can't possibly expect Mario Kart to do 30+ million again on a console with sub 20 million sales.

One of the biggest factors in what makes people want a console is its software.

Sunshine is part of the reason GCN didn't sell too hot, just as 3D World is part of the reason Wii U isn't selling so hot.


Once again using logic that goes against your belief of MK8 n SSB4 selling Wii U's, as both MK and SSB among many other of nintendo franchises have also seen iterations released on past consoles, yet those consoles still failed to outsell their predecessors. So once again, tell me why Kart n Smash are all of a sudden gonne sell enough consoles now to break the trend when they never ever have before.

This "trend" isn't really a trend at all, because as I've said, each console selling less was not for the same continuous reasons each time. It's a not a trend, it's a serious of individual and different mistakes.



Nope, it's a sales trend as the numbers prove! Regardless, the fact remains that MK, SSB, and so ons never sold enough consoles for said console to beat out it's predecessors. Now stop beating around the bush and answer the question! Why are these games going to sell enough consoles now when they never have before?