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Trunkin on 21 March 2014
endimion said:
It's not hate, it's just a dream,that will never come true... Or at least in the near future or not with valve.... Linux user base hasn't moved a bit in forever it oscillates at the bottom between 1 and 2%.... And steam OS won't change that... Most people won't use Linux... And most gamers either...

Most gamers would totally use Linux if it had close to the same level of support that windows has. Why wouldn't they? Nothing beats free. And Linux game performance in some cases actually equals, or even surpasses windows... Provided youre using Nvidia hardware.

And yes, Linux users account for a paltry percentage of the overall PC user base, but 2% is still a hell of a lot of potential customers that need catering to, and you never know what the future may hold. The existence of Steam machines, plus the trend towards more accessibility with most major Linux distributions, could potentially bump that percentage up significantly. I don't think its realistic to expect Steam OS/Linux dethrone windows, and I doubt that's Valves goal, as it doesn't even need to come close to windows to be successful. It really doesnt seem so far fetched to say that they may be able carve out a respectable enough market for it to become a viable alternative for game developers and users alike.



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ICStats on 21 March 2014

More people are going to be on Android & Chrome OS (Linux based) and iOS (BSD based), than on Windows, so *nix will rule the world after all.

 

 

So umm, yeah.  Let's not mention the world's datacenters.



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endimion on 21 March 2014

OSX and android are the shame full special brother of any good *nix distribution... Android is Linux done wrong and OSX is freeBSD after a car crash and a rape... A big ugly shame if you ask me....

and I almost guaranty you that apple iOS on phone will be behind MS sooner or later... Looking at current trends in a big chunk of Europe it will be in the next few years...

and I still have my doubts on dumb tablet long lasting appeal... Once x86 processor and hybrid builds will be cheaper and less power hungry...

well anyway in the tech world things can always change radically within 10 years or stay stagnant for 20... Only time will tell us

but comparing OSX, android, iOS to linux/freeBSD is like comparing a Ferrari to a formula 1 not only they are not in the same ball park by a couple light years but if you somehow know how to handle one certainly don't guarantee that you'll appreciate the other one let alone manage to use it properly....
heck I'd wager that a bigger ratio of the MS OS user base would be comfortable on a true Linux/FBSD rig than apple or google regular users...

now that being said, I don't think steam OS will change anything...It will be a nice alternative to other Linux distribution more focused on games nothing more and nothing game changing for anyone no pun intended...



ICStats on 21 March 2014

^ I don't disagree with the issues of iOS & Android, but the fact remains there are more and there will be far more users of those by an order of magnitude. There will be changes, like full OpenGL on Android I think.

I don't see why you can't compare OSX to Linux though. It has been a more polished and optimized system, and retains the low level *nix aspects too.



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Fusioncode on 21 March 2014
Zappykins said:
ICStats said:
VitroBahllee said:
I'm watching a liveblog of it now. This is going to really boost the Xbox One.

How will it do that?

They say DX12 is a console like API.  XB1 is already a console.  If it has a boost it would only be because their current SDK is bad.

Nah, it's not like that.  Think of it as like a super optimizing driver.  Only it will give you one platform that does what Steam wants their new OS to do, but with the years of experiences that developers have working on DirectX. It's like a new OS.

Xbox One should get at least a 20% GPU improvement according to what we saw today.  Perhaps significantly greater.

Unreal Engine 4 will get upgraded to work with DirectX 12.

It will be the new standard for is flexibility, scalability and power.  PC and Xbox One games will both benefit.

 

Can you please explain this? I'm curious as to why you think that will happen. 



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

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dahuman on 21 March 2014
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:

To push for an alternative platform that's not OSX or Windows that's geared towards benefitting the users more than concentrating on money milking, you'd be crazy to think it's a bad thing for us consumers, I'm ALWAYS on the side of consumers.

Money milking ? Your worried about that ? LOL 

I'm not saying that it's a bad thing for consumers but I am not for corporations OR consumers. Like many of the consumers we have ALWAYS valued FUNCTION over half assedness such as linux. Consumers don't care much about software rights as long is it gets the god damned JOB done. 

Much like how I would rather AMD quit the CPU business and let intel take over ALL of x86. Unlike AMD, Intel has PROVEN that their not for the MONEY but they are their for the DEVELOPMENT. A monopoly is not BAD if it is DEVELOPMENT driven. 

The problem is you are arguing for argument sake like always and have no vision for the masses but instead encircle yourslef in your own world.

For as long as you are alive, you are a "consumer," saying you don't care is pretty much saying that you don't give a fuck about yourself which I clearly see that's not true so that's full of shit.

Linux is half asses because it doesn't have proper driver support and is the reason why they are only being used as servers at their best utility ATM, if Valve can achieve what other are not able to, not only will Linux not be half assed in the future, it will actually be better, and we should always strive for a better alternative instead of living in a world of monopolization purly run by corporates that are doing whatever they can to give us inferior products with tiny anual upgrades in which they charge the people full prices for.

Consumers don't care about software rights, but they sure as hell care about the amount of dollars they can spend, especially students or people who don't have a real job but are trying to step up into the world without dying from hunger or vitamin deficiency first. Open source free software/hardware has brought so much to the field already, and this is a push in an even better direction.

You don't have to get AMD to quit making desktop CPUs, they are already irrelevant vs Intel ATM, and look what's happening with Intel CPU roadmaps, shit ass tiny upgrades every year even though their technology can already push 5 years ahead due to no competition. If the same thing happens to Nvidia vs AMD graphics, we'd be just as fucked on the graphics front.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO BREAK OUT OF WINDOWS FOR PC COMPUTING SO THEY CAN WORK HARDER AND MAKE AN EVEN BETTER WINDOWS TO LURE US BACK OR WE'LL JUST GET MORE SHIT LIKE WINDOWS 8!



dahuman on 21 March 2014
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:

But notice I never mentioned Steam Box but always just said Steam OS? XD

And will steam OS be largely adopted by PC gamers ? 

The whole stupid stunts that valve keeps pulling with steambox or steam OS makes me believe that their insane. I thought almost ALL publishers and developers were smart but valve just showed me that their more retarded than what EA will ever be. 


Not until it's good enough no, I'm not unrealistic about that, though Valve is being run by many people who are most likely smarter than you and not bound by retarded investors, and I doubt their vision is that narrow sighted.



dahuman on 21 March 2014
Zappykins said:
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:

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The steambox is one of the most WORTHLESS and STUPID ideas from Valve. I could not be more fucking dissappointed in them than I am right now. 

Just what is that POS aimed for ? I would rather be bound to windows than to have not have a shit ton of games. It is MICROSOFT that set standards for PC gaming and they have done more with Directx than what valve EVER will with their steambox. 

I think SteamOS it Gabe's dream of killing Microsoft and Windows.  Why, I really have no idea, as his consumer have more of the latest software from Microsoft than the general public by twice.

Perhapse Bill Gates stepped on his foot once, or ate his cupcake. It really seems silly and a waste of time, espically with the new DX12 coming.

If they had put the same effort into new games we might have Half Live 3 or Portal 3.

But hate is a passion, like love, it's not rational.


I can guarantee you that Gabe Newell has no interest in killing MS or Windows lol........... wow....



fatslob-:O on 21 March 2014
dahuman said:

The problem is you are arguing for argument sake like always and have no vision for the masses but instead encircle yourslef in your own world.

The one who's arguing here is you. It is a fact that linux will end up as always irrelevant towards what the masses want to do. Your the one with no vision around here. Dreams and reality are separated. Just what kind of reality do you wish for people to use half assed solutions ? 

For as long as you are alive, you are a "consumer," saying you don't care is pretty much saying that you don't give a fuck about yourself which I clearly see that's not true so that's full of shit.

This is exactly the kind of shit I keep hearing from paranoid hipster protesters ... Nice use of false equivalence right there. Why should consumers be worried about software rights when it gets the JOB done ? 

Linux is half asses because it doesn't have proper driver support and is the reason why they are only being used as servers at their best utility ATM, if Valve can achieve what other are not able to, not only will Linux not be half assed in the future, it will actually be better, and we should always strive for a better alternative instead of living in a world of monopolization purly run by corporates that are doing whatever they can to give us inferior products with tiny anual upgrades in which they charge the people full prices for.

Driver support isn't the only thing that is lacking. It lacks alot of premium high quality software from windows such as video and photo editors, games, as well as other productivity softwares. I'd rather a monopoly that fucking WORK than a POS that doesn't WORK. 

Consumers don't care about software rights, but they sure as hell care about the amount of dollars they can spend, especially students or people who don't have a real job but are trying to step up into the world without dying from hunger or vitamin deficiency first. Open source free software/hardware has brought so much to the field already, and this is a push in an even better direction.

Consumers do care about the money they spend but why focus working with half assed tools when windows just gets the job done alot better ?

You don't have to get AMD to quit making desktop CPUs, they are already irrelevant vs Intel ATM, and look what's happening with Intel CPU roadmaps, shit ass tiny upgrades every year even though their technology can already push 5 years ahead due to no competition. If the same thing happens to Nvidia vs AMD graphics, we'd be just as fucked on the graphics front.

Atleast the AMD vs Intel shit is actually more competitive than what the Windows vs Linux will ever be. If having a 20% market share isn't worth shit then having under 5% is simply pathetic. 

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO BREAK OUT OF WINDOWS FOR PC COMPUTING SO THEY CAN WORK HARDER AND MAKE AN EVEN BETTER WINDOWS TO LURE US BACK OR WE'LL JUST GET MORE SHIT LIKE WINDOWS 8!

Windows 8 was mediocre but I'd still have that than Linux. 


fatslob-:O on 21 March 2014
dahuman said:

Not until it's good enough no, I'm not unrealistic about that, though Valve is being run by many people who are most likely smarter than you and not bound by retarded investors, and I doubt their vision is that narrow sighted.

They don't sound smart for pushing out a pile of crap ... If business men's were retarded then why are they the richer ones ? Their vision is not narrow sighted but rather it's nothing other than grandeur of delusions.