My avatar pretty much describes how I feel about it. And I'm a huge fan of the series, but the whole 13 just killed it for me
| outlawauron said: The popularity of a character isn't mutually inclusive with quality of a game or its sales reception. There are more factors at work than just the popularity of a character. |
I think when the name of the character is in big capital letters as the actual name of the game, its a big pull for that game.
Granted, there is a lot wrong with the XIII saga and Lightning as a character isnt the only problem. Im not saying that. Im saying Lightning is a part of the problem.
| outlawauron said: Constant milking of XIII, do we live in the same world? It has 3 games in one generation and that's the extent of it. It's not being dragged along in spin-offs or social/mobile versions. Each of the 3 were full-fledged games with a lot of content. |
Main series Final Fantasy titles.
Gen 3 -
Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy II
Final Fantasy III
Gen 4 -
Final Fantasy IV
Final Fantasy V
Final Fantasy VI
Gen 5 -
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy IX
Gen 6 -
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
Final Fantasy XI Online
Final Fantasy XII
Gen 7 -
Final Fantasy XIII
Final Fantasy XIII-2
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII
Final Fantasy XIV
Every generation since Final Fantasy was released, we have had 3 brand new Final Fantasy numbered titles. Gen 7, with the XIII saga, is the only generation where we have had 3 flagship titles from the same series. What highlights that milking more than anything is the number of reused assets, which Toriyama has even admitted himself. Its not quite on the level of Final Fantasy VII Compilation, but boy oh boy have they tried. Im actually thinking that Lightning Returns is going to be the lowest selling in the series since the SNES days.
They milked XIII. People are done with XIII. Time to move on, and they know it.
| outlawauron said: Constant milking of XIII, do we live in the same world? It has 3 games in one generation and that's the extent of it. It's not being dragged along in spin-offs or social/mobile versions. Each of the 3 were full-fledged games with a lot of content. |
Yeah, because Heads or Tails in XIII-2 wasn't milking it for the sake of money e_E
outlawauron said:
Even if they could, Fire Emblem isn't known for their characters for a reason. |
Says the guy with the Tharja avatar
(or is that someone else?)
Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.
Mr Khan said:
Says the guy with the Tharja avatar (or is that someone else?) |
It is Tharja and? My statement is still true regardless of my love for Tharja.
Wright said:
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If they could have DLC years ago, I can guarantee it would have been there. It's more of a status quo of the industry rather than a deliberate attempt with XIII.
@ Carl
I don't divide everything up quite that way. I see 3 games for XIII (and even then, all of them were full on with content and had their gameplay systems changed with each entry) and I see 5 games for FF7, a movie, two OVAs, and a novel. I suppose we have different definitions of constant milking as you could argue for Mario or Call of Duty (or other games with yearly releases). Even with reused assets, surely you understand why they had to. Company was essentially forced to after their mishandling of the FF13 dev cycle.
| outlawauron said: I don't divide everything up quite that way. I see 3 games for XIII (and even then, all of them were full on with content and had their gameplay systems changed with each entry) and I see 5 games for FF7, a movie, two OVAs, and a novel. I suppose we have different definitions of constant milking as you could argue for Mario or Call of Duty (or other games with yearly releases). Even with reused assets, surely you understand why they had to. Company was essentially forced to after their mishandling of the FF13 dev cycle. |
The difference between XIII and VII would be popularity with the mass market.
VII sold over 10 Million copies and continues to be a best seller on PSN to this day. Crisis Core, the prequel on a completely different platform (rife with piracy), sold over 3 Million copies. Dirge of Cerberus, a TPS spinoff sold 1.5 Million copies. Final Fantasy VII videos on YouTube are the most popular Final Fantasy videos. Last Order sold out Months before it was even released in Japan. At the time of release, Before Crisis was the best selling mobile phone game in the world with 200,000 registered players.
Advent Children actually boosted the PS3 by 289% in Japan when it released on Blu-ray. Over 60,000 PS3s were sold that Week. Lightning Returns launch week saw a 3% boost while XIII-2 saw a 39% boost to 64,000 in the middle of the holiday season. Furthermore, way back in 2009 Advent Children had aleady sold over 4.1 Million copies on DVD and UMD alone, not counting the eventual Blu-ray sales.
People want Final Fantasy VII, which is why anything Final Fantasy VII generally does exceptionally well. Im not sure the same can be said of XIII.
You know what? I've come to terms with this. Lightning is a beautiful woman, inside and out.
Welp... at least she wasn't the choice of the editor or something.
Not the most dreadful character in that horrid "saga", but not worth of being first in anything (or, deserves to be first in being a bitch, perhaps 
)
just further proof of just how disconnected japanese dev's are with the rest of the world, especially NA.
anyone who contributed to that award should be ashamed of themselves
I am Torgo, I take care of the place while the master is away.
"Hes the clown that makes the dark side fun.. Torgo!"
Ha.. i won my bet, but i wasnt around to gloat because im on a better forum! See ya guys on Viz
| Xen said: Welp... at least she wasn't the choice of the editor or something. Not the most dreadful character in that horrid "saga", but not worth of being first in anything (or, deserves to be first in being a bitch, perhaps ) |
You are just said that Hope didn't win!
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