And how do you define "reason to doubt a figure"? Because you've declared Wii U to be "overtracked" based on a hunch at least once before.

Anyway, let me demonstrate why it's way too early to proclaim it as having "overtaken". Suppose that DKC:TF, which is made in the US and is thus likely to appeal more to western gamers, boosts Wii U sales by, say, 20k in the west. Suppose that PS4 sales decline at about the same rate it did in the last two weeks - that is, about 25k down.

The 320k number comes from Famitsu. Media Create, on the other hand, says 310k. So let's suppose that number, just to demonstrate the point. So we're now at 5.780m for Wii U and 5.805m for PS4. That's a difference of 25k. If VGChartz has overtracked PS4 or undertracked Wii U (or some combination thereof) by just 4k per week, that puts Wii U ahead. In the case of PS4 numbers, that's of the order of 2-4% of the claimed total, well within the margin of error.

This doesn't mean that Wii U is still ahead. I have already said that I have no opinion on that front. And if PS4 is ahead right now, all power to it - a videogame console selling strongly is a good thing (although the general videogame market decline remains worrying - home console sales (not counting PS2) in mid-February 2007 were around 390k pw (and PS3 hadn't released in Europe, where it sold about 500k in its first week), and handheld console sales were around 625k pw... in the equivalent week this year, home console sales are around 330k pw across PS4/PS3/XBO/XB360/WiiU/Wii and handheld sales are around 200k pw across PSV/PSP/3DS).

I don't like this thread, you're right. But it has nothing to do with my opinion of any of the gaming consoles, and everything to do with the abuse of logic and reason in order to proclaim something which cannot yet be justified.

I don't really post much. I don't know what calling out the number of post I've made since 2007 is suppose to mean. I would just come here just to look at sales. When wii was selling well this place was completely different. A haven for Nintendo fans bashing sony and Microsoft. All screaming Nintendo domination like some war was going on lol. If you cannot see that it was a fluke oh well. Nintendo did this to themselves with the kiddy approach. They could've made a better effort to get 3rd parties and still made their great 1st party titles. As long as companies have sony and Microsoft they won't car about Nintendo. Just the truth

And how do you define "reason to doubt a figure"? Because you've declared Wii U to be "overtracked" based on a hunch at least once before.

Anyway, let me demonstrate why it's way too early to proclaim it as having "overtaken". Suppose that DKC:TF, which is made in the US and is thus likely to appeal more to western gamers, boosts Wii U sales by, say, 20k in the west. Suppose that PS4 sales decline at about the same rate it did in the last two weeks - that is, about 25k down.

The 320k number comes from Famitsu. Media Create, on the other hand, says 310k. So let's suppose that number, just to demonstrate the point. So we're now at 5.780m for Wii U and 5.805m for PS4. That's a difference of 25k. If VGChartz has overtracked PS4 or undertracked Wii U (or some combination thereof) by just 4k per week, that puts Wii U ahead. In the case of PS4 numbers, that's of the order of 2-4% of the claimed total, well within the margin of error.

This doesn't mean that Wii U is still ahead. I have already said that I have no opinion on that front. And if PS4 is ahead right now, all power to it - a videogame console selling strongly is a good thing (although the general videogame market decline remains worrying - home console sales (not counting PS2) in mid-February 2007 were around 390k pw (and PS3 hadn't released in Europe, where it sold about 500k in its first week), and handheld console sales were around 625k pw... in the equivalent week this year, home console sales are around 330k pw across PS4/PS3/XBO/XB360/WiiU/Wii and handheld sales are around 200k pw across PSV/PSP/3DS).

I don't like this thread, you're right. But it has nothing to do with my opinion of any of the gaming consoles, and everything to do with the abuse of logic and reason in order to proclaim something which cannot yet be justified.

And now you feel good? you are owner of sony and you feel good? Rediculouse!

Just as not all of us "can't handle" PS4 selling well.

nah seems legit some pretty detailed analysis of it on his wall

think man: Yeah, PS4 has still yet to stanbilize I do think they PS4 will outsell the WiiU before MK launches but the WiiU could take back the lead if MK provides to be just what the doctor ordered. MK is a beast franchise.

zero: we agree on something. I don't particularly think ps4 will surpass wii u before mario kart. but IF that hapens, mario kart would take the lead back indefinetely.

zero: so far, comgnet pre orders point to around 170k software sold at launch. that would mean sub 140k hardware numbers. it would take a while to reach 300k.

zero: if you check comgnet pre orders, even 140k may be too much.