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Wii U doomed to Gamecube-like sales?

Yep, sadly... 340 49.85%
 
No! Believe it! 340 49.85%
 
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oniyide said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
oniyide said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
The definition of "saved" is obviously the key here. I think these titles such as MK8, Smash and others will push Wii U to solid sales. Also, the early launch will help in the long run, along with price cuts. I would expect between 40 and 60 million lifetime right now, unless said life is cut short for an early successor.

If by "saved" you mean contend with PS4 near the top of the market, no they won't. The only thing that can do that now is a key new innovative IP like Wii Sports or Brain Training that catches fire; or possibly the acquisition of a major 3rd party publisher, bringing their titles exclusive to Wii U.

its tracking below GC and you still think it will do 40-60 mil? ok

The Gamecube launched 1 year after PS2.  If you use the Sony system as a benchmark for a generation timeline, Wii U is nearly 6 million ahead of GC, because GC hadn't even launched yet.  Wii U is in a much better position, with most consumers having not picked up an 8th gen machine and Nintendo having a much bigger software library and time to adapt than when buyers were looking at a Gamecube.

im not using PS2 as a benchmark, that makes no sense. Im using GC, its tracking below it. FACT. Im using cold hard numbers. If Wii U is in a better position then why is it selling worse?

Actually, it does make sense.  What doesn't make sense is comparing two systems with very different designs launching under very different circumstances.  A perfect example is the original XBox, which sold a solid 1.53 million units 3 months after its launch in 2001.  This is better than the XBox 360.  However, XBox was late to the show and all consumers gravitated to the PS2 which had been picking up consumers for a year already.  The 360 had a rocky launch, but because it had hit the market one year earlier than competing systems, MS had time to correct errors, make new games redesign the interface, mimic the Wii Mii's and introduce Kinect.  The early launch also helped for streamlining production costs and executing price cuts.

In the case of Wii U, Nintendo has lots of potential customers and lots of time to make a more compelling case for picking up a Wii U instead of the competition than they did with the GC.  They are also coming off a better place with Wii than they were with N64.  Nintendo has lots of options to spur sales right now.  By the time this Christmas roles around they should have a solid software library, and have production costs down to the point where they are making money on Wii U's or perhaps drop the price lower.  They could redesign the system.  They could put out a flashy new IP or control device.  They could implement achievments or some other new UI hook.  Surely Nintendo will likely do one or all of these things, or something unexpected to push sales well beyond GC levels, and they have the time (due to the early launch on the Gen 8 timeline) to do it before 80% of potential customers have even considered an 8th gen system.



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Uabit said:

Wii U will sell 25-30 million whatever Nintendo does, it is truly doomed specially for the image that the Wii brand earned with the shitty casual original Wii

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-Smeags

Smeags, why'd you moderate this man? His 25-30 Million prediction was extremely nice.



Man this poll is uber close! Looks like the Yes's are wining again though!



TheLastStarFighter said:
oniyide said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
oniyide said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
The definition of "saved" is obviously the key here. I think these titles such as MK8, Smash and others will push Wii U to solid sales. Also, the early launch will help in the long run, along with price cuts. I would expect between 40 and 60 million lifetime right now, unless said life is cut short for an early successor.

If by "saved" you mean contend with PS4 near the top of the market, no they won't. The only thing that can do that now is a key new innovative IP like Wii Sports or Brain Training that catches fire; or possibly the acquisition of a major 3rd party publisher, bringing their titles exclusive to Wii U.

its tracking below GC and you still think it will do 40-60 mil? ok

The Gamecube launched 1 year after PS2.  If you use the Sony system as a benchmark for a generation timeline, Wii U is nearly 6 million ahead of GC, because GC hadn't even launched yet.  Wii U is in a much better position, with most consumers having not picked up an 8th gen machine and Nintendo having a much bigger software library and time to adapt than when buyers were looking at a Gamecube.

im not using PS2 as a benchmark, that makes no sense. Im using GC, its tracking below it. FACT. Im using cold hard numbers. If Wii U is in a better position then why is it selling worse?

Actually, it does make sense.  What doesn't make sense is comparing two systems with very different designs launching under very different circumstances.  A perfect example is the original XBox, which sold a solid 1.53 million units 3 months after its launch in 2001.  This is better than the XBox 360.  However, XBox was late to the show and all consumers gravitated to the PS2 which had been picking up consumers for a year already.  The 360 had a rocky launch, but because it had hit the market one year earlier than competing systems, MS had time to correct errors, make new games redesign the interface, mimic the Wii Mii's and introduce Kinect.  The early launch also helped for streamlining production costs and executing price cuts.

In the case of Wii U, Nintendo has lots of potential customers and lots of time to make a more compelling case for picking up a Wii U instead of the competition than they did with the GC.  They are also coming off a better place with Wii than they were with N64.  Nintendo has lots of options to spur sales right now.  By the time this Christmas roles around they should have a solid software library, and have production costs down to the point where they are making money on Wii U's or perhaps drop the price lower.  They could redesign the system.  They could put out a flashy new IP or control device.  They could implement achievments or some other new UI hook.  Surely Nintendo will likely do one or all of these things, or something unexpected to push sales well beyond GC levels, and they have the time (due to the early launch on the Gen 8 timeline) to do it before 80% of potential customers have even considered an 8th gen system.

yes Ninty WAS coming off of a good place with the WIi which is even more pathetic as to why its doing SO bad. Its makes sense to compare Ninty consoles to other Ninty consoles. Comparing it to anyone else makes it look eve worse. It had a year head start and PS4 has already caught up and passed it no problem. Wouldnt be surprised if One did the same thng and they both released at higher prices.

They dont have alot of time. Not when Sony and MS are taking market share. Im hearing alot of hypotheticals but you havent said anything concrete to lead me to believe they can sell 40--60mil. Im willing to bet they wont. You still havent anwswered my question, if Wii U is in a better position why is it doing worse?



oniyide said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
oniyide said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

The Gamecube launched 1 year after PS2.  If you use the Sony system as a benchmark for a generation timeline, Wii U is nearly 6 million ahead of GC, because GC hadn't even launched yet.  Wii U is in a much better position, with most consumers having not picked up an 8th gen machine and Nintendo having a much bigger software library and time to adapt than when buyers were looking at a Gamecube.

im not using PS2 as a benchmark, that makes no sense. Im using GC, its tracking below it. FACT. Im using cold hard numbers. If Wii U is in a better position then why is it selling worse?

Actually, it does make sense.  What doesn't make sense is comparing two systems with very different designs launching under very different circumstances.  A perfect example is the original XBox, which sold a solid 1.53 million units 3 months after its launch in 2001.  This is better than the XBox 360.  However, XBox was late to the show and all consumers gravitated to the PS2 which had been picking up consumers for a year already.  The 360 had a rocky launch, but because it had hit the market one year earlier than competing systems, MS had time to correct errors, make new games redesign the interface, mimic the Wii Mii's and introduce Kinect.  The early launch also helped for streamlining production costs and executing price cuts.

In the case of Wii U, Nintendo has lots of potential customers and lots of time to make a more compelling case for picking up a Wii U instead of the competition than they did with the GC.  They are also coming off a better place with Wii than they were with N64.  Nintendo has lots of options to spur sales right now.  By the time this Christmas roles around they should have a solid software library, and have production costs down to the point where they are making money on Wii U's or perhaps drop the price lower.  They could redesign the system.  They could put out a flashy new IP or control device.  They could implement achievments or some other new UI hook.  Surely Nintendo will likely do one or all of these things, or something unexpected to push sales well beyond GC levels, and they have the time (due to the early launch on the Gen 8 timeline) to do it before 80% of potential customers have even considered an 8th gen system.

yes Ninty WAS coming off of a good place with the WIi which is even more pathetic as to why its doing SO bad. Its makes sense to compare Ninty consoles to other Ninty consoles. Comparing it to anyone else makes it look eve worse. It had a year head start and PS4 has already caught up and passed it no problem. Wouldnt be surprised if One did the same thng and they both released at higher prices.

They dont have alot of time. Not when Sony and MS are taking market share. Im hearing alot of hypotheticals but you havent said anything concrete to lead me to believe they can sell 40--60mil. Im willing to bet they wont. You still havent anwswered my question, if Wii U is in a better position why is it doing worse?

Clearly you can't read.  I explained why it is in a better position for the future.  And it is doing better, not worse.  Over a year into its launch, GC did not have a market share over 30%.



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TheLastStarFighter said:
oniyide said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
oniyide said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

The Gamecube launched 1 year after PS2.  If you use the Sony system as a benchmark for a generation timeline, Wii U is nearly 6 million ahead of GC, because GC hadn't even launched yet.  Wii U is in a much better position, with most consumers having not picked up an 8th gen machine and Nintendo having a much bigger software library and time to adapt than when buyers were looking at a Gamecube.

im not using PS2 as a benchmark, that makes no sense. Im using GC, its tracking below it. FACT. Im using cold hard numbers. If Wii U is in a better position then why is it selling worse?

Actually, it does make sense.  What doesn't make sense is comparing two systems with very different designs launching under very different circumstances.  A perfect example is the original XBox, which sold a solid 1.53 million units 3 months after its launch in 2001.  This is better than the XBox 360.  However, XBox was late to the show and all consumers gravitated to the PS2 which had been picking up consumers for a year already.  The 360 had a rocky launch, but because it had hit the market one year earlier than competing systems, MS had time to correct errors, make new games redesign the interface, mimic the Wii Mii's and introduce Kinect.  The early launch also helped for streamlining production costs and executing price cuts.

In the case of Wii U, Nintendo has lots of potential customers and lots of time to make a more compelling case for picking up a Wii U instead of the competition than they did with the GC.  They are also coming off a better place with Wii than they were with N64.  Nintendo has lots of options to spur sales right now.  By the time this Christmas roles around they should have a solid software library, and have production costs down to the point where they are making money on Wii U's or perhaps drop the price lower.  They could redesign the system.  They could put out a flashy new IP or control device.  They could implement achievments or some other new UI hook.  Surely Nintendo will likely do one or all of these things, or something unexpected to push sales well beyond GC levels, and they have the time (due to the early launch on the Gen 8 timeline) to do it before 80% of potential customers have even considered an 8th gen system.

yes Ninty WAS coming off of a good place with the WIi which is even more pathetic as to why its doing SO bad. Its makes sense to compare Ninty consoles to other Ninty consoles. Comparing it to anyone else makes it look eve worse. It had a year head start and PS4 has already caught up and passed it no problem. Wouldnt be surprised if One did the same thng and they both released at higher prices.

They dont have alot of time. Not when Sony and MS are taking market share. Im hearing alot of hypotheticals but you havent said anything concrete to lead me to believe they can sell 40--60mil. Im willing to bet they wont. You still havent anwswered my question, if Wii U is in a better position why is it doing worse?

Clearly you can't read.  I explained why it is in a better position for the future.  And it is doing better, not worse.  Over a year into its launch, GC did not have a market share over 30%.


marketshare doesnt mean anything when it has less consoles sold overall, so not its doing worse. Factually. ANd GC didnt have a year headstart so thats a crap comparison. No you didnt explain anything. You said a bunch of words to side step my point. Ill ask one more time. Why has it sold less than GC so far? its a simple question.



oniyide said:


marketshare doesnt mean anything when it has less consoles sold overall, so not its doing worse. Factually. ANd GC didnt have a year headstart so thats a crap comparison. No you didnt explain anything. You said a bunch of words to side step my point. Ill ask one more time. Why has it sold less than GC so far? its a simple question.


It has sold less units since launch for many reasons, but that's not the topic and I don't feel like going off topic.  The topic is can it sell better, and yes, I think it can.  And market share and launch headstarts are key reasons why I think it will, and shouldn't be thrown out as you are attempting to do.



I'm not sure what will "save" the Wii U, but I'm hoping Mario Kart 8 and Smash Brothers 4 will help in this manner. I know I'm waiting for Mario Kart 8 to be released before I purchase a Wii U. I think possibly a $50 price cut may help as well. I feel that many gamers see the PS4 as being a better deal at a $399 price tag than what the Wii U has to offer for just $100 cheaper with two older games bundled with it. Also, Nintendo needs to advertise the heck out of Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros. 4. Also, advertise the Wii U as being more than just a gaming console for kids. The release of Smash Bros.4, Bayonetta 2 and X might help in changing that perception a tiny bit. I have no clue if any of this makes sense. Lol. I'm not good at explaining what I mean with words.



TheLastStarFighter said:
oniyide said:


marketshare doesnt mean anything when it has less consoles sold overall, so not its doing worse. Factually. ANd GC didnt have a year headstart so thats a crap comparison. No you didnt explain anything. You said a bunch of words to side step my point. Ill ask one more time. Why has it sold less than GC so far? its a simple question.


It has sold less units since launch for many reasons, but that's not the topic and I don't feel like going off topic.  The topic is can it sell better, and yes, I think it can.  And market share and launch headstarts are key reasons why I think it will, and shouldn't be thrown out as you are attempting to do.

im throwing them out becasue the obviously havent worked. PS4 just came out and they already have most of the market share. 

Edit: and FYI you wrote a bunch of stuff that was off topic, if you didnt know the answer to my question(which is likely) or didnt want to answer you should have just said so.



IMO The most pertinent question is: How committed to the Wii U is Nintendo from now till they release their next console (whenever that might be)? Is Nintendo going to do the least amount it can to keep the Wii U 's "doors open" or are they going to dig deep and fight like heck to build the Wii U user base and drive sales? Are they going to make every attempt to see that more quality games are released going forward to entice new buyers to purchase the console and existing owners to buy new software?

How hard is Nintendo going to try, how committed are they to making the Wii U as successful as they can make it? To date I have not seen much of an effort from Nintendo re the WIi U nor a sense of urgency or real concern- if they start showing these things I think their base could get fired up (it does not take it much ) - If they kept the heat on they could still build some momentum-

Having said the above- Nintendo has not done anything to make me think they are going to try any harder than they have so far (I hope I am wrong) - therefore they will be lucky to get to Gamecube numbers at best