Nintendo can life with those hardware sales numbers as long as the attach rate continues to grow like crazy...

Sony and Microsoft are NOT that sure about theirs - otherwise they would have subsidized their consoles much more...

Einsam_Delphin said: yvanjean said: 8th Generation of Consoles started with the launch of PS4 and Xbox One..... Wii U as sold almost 6 million consoles to date. By the end of the year should reach 10 million consoles passing both the Saturn and Dreamcast..... all the doomed talk should end but at the same time Wii U will be a third this generation. Mario Kart 8 if any games is a system seller. Combine Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros U during the holiday season and you will have much better numbers then 2013 holidays. The WiiU sold less then 100k consoles in both May and June 2013, Mario Kart 8 will make for a very good May and June 2014. This thread is talking about it beating the Gamecube, which while not as bad as Dreamcast or Saturn, was also deemed a doomed/failed/etc. console. And again, why would Smash n Kart alter the Wii U's trajectory when they've never done so before? They were on N64, yet it still sold less than SNES. They were on GC, yet it too sold less than the previously worst selling Nintendo console. You must explain this!

You can argue that both Kart and Smash have grown in popularity since then, so would therefore have a larger effect than they did previously. 

garretslarrity said: Einsam_Delphin said: yvanjean said: 8th Generation of Consoles started with the launch of PS4 and Xbox One..... Wii U as sold almost 6 million consoles to date. By the end of the year should reach 10 million consoles passing both the Saturn and Dreamcast..... all the doomed talk should end but at the same time Wii U will be a third this generation. Mario Kart 8 if any games is a system seller. Combine Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros U during the holiday season and you will have much better numbers then 2013 holidays. The WiiU sold less then 100k consoles in both May and June 2013, Mario Kart 8 will make for a very good May and June 2014. This thread is talking about it beating the Gamecube, which while not as bad as Dreamcast or Saturn, was also deemed a doomed/failed/etc. console. And again, why would Smash n Kart alter the Wii U's trajectory when they've never done so before? They were on N64, yet it still sold less than SNES. They were on GC, yet it too sold less than the previously worst selling Nintendo console. You must explain this! You can argue that both Kart and Smash have grown in popularity since then, so would therefore have a larger effect than they did previously.

NSMB, DKC, SM3D, Wii ___, etc. were popular series aswell.

EDIT: Well SSB4 will probably retain it's popularity or even become the best selling Smash Bros. game yet, but that'll only be because there's also a 3DS version!

I'm sorry but hearing the next ssb not having a story and cut scenes is lame on nintendo's part!
I'm expecting a meta score of 8.5 ..

Einsam_Delphin said: yvanjean said: 8th Generation of Consoles started with the launch of PS4 and Xbox One..... Wii U as sold almost 6 million consoles to date. By the end of the year should reach 10 million consoles passing both the Saturn and Dreamcast..... all the doomed talk should end but at the same time Wii U will be a third this generation. Mario Kart 8 if any games is a system seller. Combine Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros U during the holiday season and you will have much better numbers then 2013 holidays. The WiiU sold less then 100k consoles in both May and June 2013, Mario Kart 8 will make for a very good May and June 2014. This thread is talking about it beating the Gamecube, which while not as bad as Dreamcast or Saturn, was also deemed a doomed/failed/etc. console. And again, why would Smash n Kart alter the Wii U's trajectory when they've never done so before? They were on N64, yet it still sold less than SNES. They were on GC, yet it too sold less than the previously worst selling Nintendo console. You must explain this!

Mario Kart Wii had a 1:3 attach rate..... Mario kart is a game with universal appeal, unlike the mario games that have seen to many interation in the recent years. There hasn't been a console Mario Kart since 2008. 

$249.99 is the casual friendly price and I wouldn't be surprise to see Nintendo annouce a WiiU Mario Kart bundle for $249.99 at E3 2014. The white skylander swap force WiiU as been selling for $229.99 here in Canada for the month of January and February. IT's only a matter of time till we see a new WiiU Price drop.  

Mario Kart 8 combine with a price cut will target the casual market Nintendo as suceed to sell record numbers of Wii's. I don't think you will ever see Wii numbers since the Wii U doesn't have the same mass appeal but they will surpass Gamecube numbers.

Mario Kart 8 launch windows will have no major competion on the software front from PS4 and Xbox one.

WiiU sold 564K consoles during April-Aug 2013. With the recent release of DKC:TF and Mario Kart 8 in May 2014 .... Nintendo will have no problem surpassing the 2013 numbers for the same period.

yvanjean said: Einsam_Delphin said: yvanjean said: 8th Generation of Consoles started with the launch of PS4 and Xbox One..... Wii U as sold almost 6 million consoles to date. By the end of the year should reach 10 million consoles passing both the Saturn and Dreamcast..... all the doomed talk should end but at the same time Wii U will be a third this generation. Mario Kart 8 if any games is a system seller. Combine Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros U during the holiday season and you will have much better numbers then 2013 holidays. The WiiU sold less then 100k consoles in both May and June 2013, Mario Kart 8 will make for a very good May and June 2014. This thread is talking about it beating the Gamecube, which while not as bad as Dreamcast or Saturn, was also deemed a doomed/failed/etc. console. And again, why would Smash n Kart alter the Wii U's trajectory when they've never done so before? They were on N64, yet it still sold less than SNES. They were on GC, yet it too sold less than the previously worst selling Nintendo console. You must explain this! Mario Kart Wii had a 1:3 attach rate..... Mario kart is a game with universal appeal, unlike the mario games that have seen to many interation in the recent years. There hasn't been a console Mario Kart since 2008.  $249.99 is the casual friendly price and I wouldn't be surprise to see Nintendo annouce a WiiU Mario Kart bundle for $249.99 at E3 2014. The white skylander swap force WiiU as been selling for $229.99 here in Canada for the month of January and February. IT's only a matter of time till we see a new WiiU Price drop.   Mario Kart 8 combine with a price cut will target the casual market Nintendo as suceed to sell record numbers of Wii's. I don't think you will ever see Wii numbers since the Wii U doesn't have the same mass appeal but they will surpass Gamecube numbers. Mario Kart 8 launch windows will have no major competion on the software front from PS4 and Xbox one. WiiU sold 564K consoles during April-Aug 2013. With the recent release of DKC:TF and Mario Kart 8 in May 2014 .... Nintendo will have no problem surpassing the 2013 numbers for the same period.

Mario Kart generally has a 20%-30% attach rate, so what is it your getting at here? That's only relevant if we're talking about much Mario Kart 8 will sell. I personally believe it'll have close to a 40%-50% attach rate and sell around 8 million lifetime, but that's a discussion for a different thread!

I don't know this for a fact as I can't remember, but surely Nintendo also bundled Double Dash with the Gamecube, and yet, still sold worse than the N64, and just plain badly overall. It also dropped to a super low $99 at one point, yet still nothing happened. I don't know how much time there was between 64 and DD, but seeing as there's only one MK per gen, it was probably a similar number of years. So basically, everything you're saying has been the case before!

And of course it's gonna out do it's 2013, but that's not the issue here. With both Kart n Smash, 2014 is undoubtedly going to be the Wii U's peak year. That's actually a bad thing though, cause when Kart n Smash don't change anything, then you know it'll never change because the Wii U can only have worse years from there.

Einsam_Delphin said: zorg1000 said: Einsam_Delphin said: Miyamotoo said: Dunban67 said: Miyamotoo said: That still doesn't answer his question. The Wii U has already seen more games, marketing, price cuts, bundles, etc., yet none of that had any long term effects. So why do you believe what didn't work before will all of a sudden work now? I have a hard time considering what they did back in September a true price cut. Ya they deluxe price came down but before that point the cheapest official price of a Wii U was $299 and the current cheapest official price of a Wii U is still $299. Its more of an added value bundle, they packed in a game and increased the storage. Its like if back in 2011 when 3DS was struggling Nintendo decided not to cut $80 off the price but instead packed in Ocarina of Time 3D or Nintendogs+Cats and increased the size of the SD card. I remember saying how that price cut wasn't gonna do anything cause $299 is still the cheapest price back when it was announced, but a price cut is still a price cut!

Yes a price cut is a price cut and this is not one. In order for it to be a price cut the price has to become lower and that did not happen.

Lyrikalstylez said: I'm sorry but hearing the next ssb not having a story and cut scenes is lame on nintendo's part! I'm expecting a meta score of 8.5 ..

im all for it, Subspace emmisary was a collasal waste of time and resources, time that could have been spent ensuring the online didnt suck. I love that there will be no useless story.

oniyide said: Lyrikalstylez said: I'm sorry but hearing the next ssb not having a story and cut scenes is lame on nintendo's part! I'm expecting a meta score of 8.5 .. im all for it, Subspace emmisary was a collasal waste of time and resources, time that could have been spent ensuring the online didnt suck. I love that there will be no useless story.

But from the looks of current nintendo's online situation, there won't be much of a difference in quality (could be wrong)

so why gimp out the features? People are complaining about Titanfall being online only but so is smash bros...

I hope this shit isn't the future of games, I love single player

p.s. 8.5 tops is what I predict this gets on meta!

Lyrikalstylez said: I'm sorry but hearing the next ssb not having a story and cut scenes is lame on nintendo's part! I'm expecting a meta score of 8.5 ..

I think that could be the big NFC game, a Skylander style game using Nintendo mascots.