Yeah, the psx did suck early on. I just don't think (wii) comparisons to the ps2 aren't completely accurate. They are 2 very different systems. They are selling at a similar rate, but that's about it for me. 

I think the wii will have a great future but I just look at the ps2 a bit more favorably.

Think of fall 2001, within 4 months the ps2 got twisted metal black, mgs2, FFX, jak and daxter, ICO, devil may cry, GT3, GTA3, ssx tricky, spy hunter, klonoa 2, tony hawk 3 and more.

Not not comparing that to another system, I'm just saying that's not bad for your first (non launch) fall.

Hmm.. I missed this bad boy.

Well I don't think that Nintendo will get their third party stuff in order. I mean, they've had a few gems. A launch game, a remake, and a cash-in (Red Steel, RE4 and RE:UC), but other than that, there haven't been a whole lot of third-party games.

I think that thhe whole "devs were blindsided by the Wii's success" thing is such a horrible excuse. Games like Call of Duty 4 or Burnout Paradise, which went into production after the PS3 came out beg to differ about developers not knowing about a systems success only doing shovelware. If that was the case, then how did these two games turn out so well, when production started after the system had been released? It's because the situation on the Wii will never get any better. Plain and simple.

::chuckle:: Fun, fun. Another "gaming is doomed because of the Wii" thread. Why don't these insecure people realize nothing will be taken away from them. There are still people around, A LOT of people, that want the 'hardcore' games. There will continue to be a market for more in depth games. The person that likes buying 'shovelware' is not gobbling up a 'hardcore' gamer. The 'hardcore' gamer is still there, still buying games, still creating demand. ::sigh::

And it's a great sign that the Wii is now the recipient of shovelware. It's an indication of success. And Onyxmeth, you must be new to gaming, or just trying to bash the Wii. Both, Nintendo's strict quality control is what hurt their 3rd party support, and shovelware was prevalent on the PS2. Like it's been said on here already, developers and publishers don't like being told what to do. The quality control just drives them away, and the lack of quality control is what brought them to Sony.

It's so entertaining to see so many people feel the 'shovelware' is a problem. Dude, let me give you a tip, don't buy it if you don't want it. There are plenty of other good games for you to buy. Personally I've spent more money this generation than I ever have before, on the good games that have been coming out. I find this a golden age of gaming. I'll never have the time to play all the games that I want to.

I so disagree with that, heh.  I think the OP was maybe well thought out for someone completely new to gaming.  Someone who has not followed it at all, over time, or learns from observed past mistakes.

 Though I COMPLETELY agree with you that people should not worry about the crap.  It will always be there, always was.  Ignore it and get the games you are interested in.  Why call it a 'problem', when you have complete control over your own purchase.

 CoD4 and Burnout Paradise started development after PS3 release?

I'm not going to believe that without a citation from a credible source. 

 ::chuckle::  Yeah, I don't think they shoveled the games out that quickly.

I just wanted to note to the guys arguing about the PS2 library that it had about 2700 games so if the top 200 games are worth playing like one of you said that would be about 13% of the games are actually worth playing.

Alot of people mentioned the NES too for nintendos quality control, and out of the 700 games for that system(not including unlicensed games because nintendo had no control over those what so ever) only about 50-80 were worth playing depending on your tastes. I think it was more about making sure the games were coming out for a nintendo console rather than making sure the games had great quality.

But like a lot of others have mentioned previously the Wii has no more or no less shovelware than the NES, Genesis, PS, PS2, Xbox, or PC in my opinion.

Also since when do reviewer scores actually correspond with the quality of a game. its all about taste. I thought Warioware was fun but after me and my wife finished it we havnt touched it. There is no replay value to the game and it only took about 3 hours to unlock pretty much everything. Reviewers gave that game scores in the high 80s and low 90s. We would have given it probably a mid 60 score. I think this goes for a lot of gamers wether they are new to gaming or been gaming for the last 20+ years.

I haven't read the whole thread, and I didn't even read the OP, but by looking at the thread title, I'm going to take a shot in the dark at what you were saying and assume I am correct.

Yes, Nintendo did screw us. They made a relatively cheap, addicting system that anyone can pick up and play which has expanded, and will continue to expand, the gaming market, which will cause a greater understanding and appreciation for the gaming market and community in general, resulting in a better world in which to live.

Yet even with this breakthrough, they have angered the anti-gaming Gods (aka Devil, aka Jack Thompson) because of a unlicensed game that allowed the gamer (i.e. anyone) to strangle Jack with the wiimote and nunchuck. I believe the game was called "The Godfather" which is an obvious play on the fact that Jack is "God" (aka Devil) and he is "your father" (aka a bitch). With his newly found rage at the gaming community, there is little chance for survival. So in a way, Nintendo did screw us. We will surely die.

But wait, there's hope! LucasArts has recently (read: a while ago) announced a game called "Star Wars: The Force Unleashed" which, will allow you (oddly enough) play as an "apprentice" to the "Dark Master" and go around killing. Most likely the apprentice is the gamer (you), and the Dark Master is Jack Thompson, and at the end of the game you will be able to once and for all eliminate this threat to the galaxy (aka the gaming world). May the force be with you!

 He does, but his interpretation of those points is completely invalid. He has made a couple of observations but has failed to understand that the problems he describes are in no way shape or form unique to the Wii. Everytime he tried to make a good point he either contradicted himself or showed just how ignorant he is about the history of the games industry and the quality of hudreds of games on every market leader since Nintendo's last reign as top console. That situation was an anamoly and rose from a problem that is worth remembering and could be tied into the original posters arguement if he had tried to understand the problem in a greater context for even a second.

I dn't think the OP opinion amkes any sense. If i tell you the truth, i think a lot of these folks who post things like this came into gaming when sony was dominating, so instinctivly have came to deslike nintendo in some sort of way.

Guys you have a lot of life left in you and you will see as you grow up that things change but stay the same, like when the PS1 came out, a lot of shovel ware came with it. It was like treasure hunt to find a good quality game. (good times... good times), its not so different now, but instead now its on nintendo console which is leading. It seems like quite an intersting cycle which happens  every 2/3 generations, hapened in the gamecentric PC/Nes time then the PSX/N64 time and now with the PS3/Wii.

Roll with the times, shovelware is not new and its not like there is more of it now than there ever was. Not true at all. But what you have to understan, is there will always be game developers who want to make grate games, simply because a game should be more than a product, but a service. Nintendo have built a great relationship with many consumers because of the fantastic games they have made. Same thing i can say about hideo kojima, he has built grate experinces (not just MGS) thus he has a strong relationship wit many of his fans. Developers like this will never stop.
Remember what Cliffy b said. He is not intersted in making games like cooking Momma thus he's fans smile, so if tomorrow they heard he is making anotherr brilliant game for x console, the will likely pick it up.

Shame to the folks who have been playing consoles for longer than a lot o these kids and actualy agree with what the OP says. We have been through this b4 and we will all go through it again.