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osed125 said:
lucidium said:
You know, It kind of makes me wonder why they don&t just friggin kickstarter the idea, you&re not telling me there aren't enough nostalgia FF7 fans out there willing to put towards a remake, there would EASILY be enough to fund it and then some.

The idea that you can fund a AAA game is just stupid. The biggest Kickstarter ever in terms of gaming was I believe the Ouya with 8.5 million. You can add 10 or even 20 million more to be nice and it probably won't be enough to make a full FF VII remake the way both SE and fans want.

To put things in perspective, FF XII costed $48 million to make. It is speculated that FF XIII costed at least $60 million

http://digitalbattle.com/2010/02/20/top-10-most-expensive-video-game-budgets-ever/


I'm pretty sure Star citizen has gone above 20 millions.

edit: apparantly its above 38 million currently. Heck thats very close to the funding of AAA games.



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Nem said:
osed125 said:

The idea that you can fund a AAA game is just stupid. The biggest Kickstarter ever in terms of gaming was I believe the Ouya with 8.5 million. You can add 10 or even 20 million more to be nice and it probably won't be enough to make a full FF VII remake the way both SE and fans want.

To put things in perspective, FF XII costed $48 million to make. It is speculated that FF XIII costed at least $60 million

http://digitalbattle.com/2010/02/20/top-10-most-expensive-video-game-budgets-ever/


I'm pretty sure Star citizen has gone above 20 millions.

edit: apparantly its above 38 million currently. Heck thats very close to the funding of AAA games.

Are you talking about Kickstarter? because after a Google search it says they pledged $2.1 million 

Edit: I'm looking at the Kickstarter page and it says $2.1 million, the stretch goals however show the $6 million mark was made.



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osed125 said:
lucidium said:
You know, It kind of makes me wonder why they don&t just friggin kickstarter the idea, you&re not telling me there aren't enough nostalgia FF7 fans out there willing to put towards a remake, there would EASILY be enough to fund it and then some.

The idea that you can fund a AAA game is just stupid. The biggest Kickstarter ever in terms of gaming was I believe the Ouya with 8.5 million. You can add 10 or even 20 million more to be nice and it probably won't be enough to make a full FF VII remake the way both SE and fans want.

To put things in perspective, FF XII costed $48 million to make. It is speculated that FF XIII costed at least $60 million

http://digitalbattle.com/2010/02/20/top-10-most-expensive-video-game-budgets-ever/

The story, script, scenarios and localization, text and music are already done, all they would need to do is redraw the backgrounds and remodel the characters and enemies then render up some pretty FMV.

A large portion of development cost for xii and xiii is the game engine and extensive 3d world modeling as well as extensive voice acting and entire music scores being created from scratch..

 

If you think a ff7 remake faithful to the original would cost anywhere near ffxii you're kidding yourself.



Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Sal.Paradise said:
They had no trouble assigning 300 people, as well as out-sourcing, to fix their MMO. This sounds like deflection.

An MMO is a much larger investment and they didn't remake it from scratch.

FFVII HD Remake would basically be a New IP at this point and since they would probably make it multiplat, it be alot more complicated then simply reusing old models and slapping HD textures on them.

'They didn't make it from scratch' - exactly. They assigned over 300 people just to fix a game. 



FFVII remake would be a bigger project than FFXV. SE will aim for Advent Children Complete graphic quality.



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osed125 said:
Nem said:
osed125 said:

The idea that you can fund a AAA game is just stupid. The biggest Kickstarter ever in terms of gaming was I believe the Ouya with 8.5 million. You can add 10 or even 20 million more to be nice and it probably won't be enough to make a full FF VII remake the way both SE and fans want.

To put things in perspective, FF XII costed $48 million to make. It is speculated that FF XIII costed at least $60 million

http://digitalbattle.com/2010/02/20/top-10-most-expensive-video-game-budgets-ever/


I'm pretty sure Star citizen has gone above 20 millions.

edit: apparantly its above 38 million currently. Heck thats very close to the funding of AAA games.

Are you talking about Kickstarter? because after a Google search it says they pledged $2.1 million 

Edit: I'm looking at the Kickstarter page and it says $2.1 million, the stretch goals however show the $6 million mark was made.


Sucessful kickstarter campaigns dont necessarily end on the 30 days of the kickstarter website. 

Go to the star citizen website and you can donate even today. Or was your whole theory limited to the 30 days or kickstarter? :p 

Star citizen is the first game that can be considered AAA to be funded by a kickstarter.



Nem said:
osed125 said:

Are you talking about Kickstarter? because after a Google search it says they pledged $2.1 million 

Edit: I'm looking at the Kickstarter page and it says $2.1 million, the stretch goals however show the $6 million mark was made.


Sucessful kickstarter campaigns dont necessarily end on the 30 days of the kickstarter website. 

Go to the star citizen website and you can donate even today. Or was your whole theory limited to the 30 days or kickstarter? :p 

Star citizen is the first game that can be considered AAA to be funded by a kickstarter.

Yeah I checked the wikipedia page and it does indeed says $38 million have been donated. So I guess funding FF VII remake is a possibility, although Star Citizen has been recollecting money for almost 2 years. 

However if FF XV has been development like what...4 years now? I can't imagine how long FF VII remake would take if it gets crowd-funded like Star Citizen



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osed125 said:
Nem said:
osed125 said:

Are you talking about Kickstarter? because after a Google search it says they pledged $2.1 million 

Edit: I'm looking at the Kickstarter page and it says $2.1 million, the stretch goals however show the $6 million mark was made.


Sucessful kickstarter campaigns dont necessarily end on the 30 days of the kickstarter website. 

Go to the star citizen website and you can donate even today. Or was your whole theory limited to the 30 days or kickstarter? :p 

Star citizen is the first game that can be considered AAA to be funded by a kickstarter.

Yeah I checked the wikipedia page and it does indeed says $38 million have been donated. So I guess funding FF VII remake is a possibility, although Star Citizen has been recollecting money for almost 2 years. 

However if FF XV has been development like what...4 years now? I can't imagine how long FF VII remake would take if it gets crowd-founded like Star Citizen


Hehe... not very different than what square usually take. But i agree, a crowd funded FFVII isnt ideal. Square just needs to want to make it. Wether its good or crap, it should sell sensationally well.



think-man said:
If it would take 3 times longer does that kinda mean that he's saying all the Final Fantasys they are making atm are 3 times smaller? when you look at how linear FF13 is over 7 it kinda makes sense.

The problem with Kitase's mentality and those in charge of Square Enix is how they progress through a story.

FF13 took so long to develop partly because of the 6 hours of cutscenes developed for the game. That mean they had to motion capture and render 6 hours of cutscenes and record 6 hours worth of voice content, in different languages.

If FF7 was to be done this way, it would take 20 hours of cutscenes. FF13 itself probabaly has 10 hours of cutscenes in total, only thats spread over 3 games; hence why the story content is without real substance over the 3 games.

However, this is why Kitase and Square Enix are out of touch with how to make games for consoles these days.

You don't need hours upon hours of cutscenes to tell a story. If you look at games like Bioshock Infinte or The Last of Us; there exits better story tellling content than FF13 ever had, and with less time spent on cutscenes. Thats because a lot of story telling can take place outside of cutscenes.

Kitase and Square Enix don't understand that, because they are really not good at what they do. Hence why they think FF7 would take much longer to develop. I bet if you dwindled FF7 down into about 3 hours of cutscenes and allowed the story to be told through other gameplay based mechanics it would take a lot less time to develop, and would actually result in a much better game. In the same way interactive story elements were so well done in games like The Last of Us or Bioshock Infinite.

Kitase dosen't get it though, thats why the FF13 series has been pretty sub-par, and thats why I don't want them to remake anything until they learn how to do their jobs properly.



lucidium said:
You know, It kind of makes me wonder why they don&t just friggin kickstarter the idea, you&re not telling me there aren't enough nostalgia FF7 fans out there willing to put towards a remake, there would EASILY be enough to fund it and then some.


I suppose they could do it and set it at 100 million so when it failed they could go "well, people did want it enough".