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Videogames are not essentially art. They are basically just games, challenges for the player, they´re closer to board games in their essence than to art itself. But videogames are a form of entertainment that uses art to be produced, be it visual arts, music or interpretation.



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Porcupine_I said:

I would be interested to hear their definition of what is considered to be art, because i am pretty sure they would have to include some arbitrary rules to exclude video games from a sane definition.

Many consider video games... well games. You play them, interact on a physical level in most cases. In definition of the term 'game' it includes the idea of interacting with something to have enjoyment or competition. Games are both of these. Yet so is Chess, could Chess be considered art? It is a game, the best ever made, is it art?

Most other art is just watched or looked at. You rarely interact like you do with games. This can be a big difference for many people.



Hmm, pie.

The Fury said:
Porcupine_I said:

I would be interested to hear their definition of what is considered to be art, because i am pretty sure they would have to include some arbitrary rules to exclude video games from a sane definition.

Many consider video games... well games. You play them, interact on a physical level in most cases. In definition of the term 'game' it includes the idea of interacting with something to have enjoyment or competition. Games are both of these. Yet so is Chess, could Chess be considered art? It is a game, the best ever made, is it art?

Most other art is just watched or looked at. You rarely interact like you do with games. This can be a big difference for many people.

So, then let's plays would be considered art, but the game being played is not?

But i am pretty sure "things watched or looked at" is not a good definition for art.

Performance Artists would also strongly disagree.

The big problem here is people want to keep "their" art as something special, it's pretty much a fanboy thing to disregard any other or new kind of art.



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Porcupine_I said:

So, then let's plays would be considered art, but the game being played is not?

But i am pretty sure "things watched or looked at" is not a good definition for art.

Performance Artists would also strongly disagree.

The big problem here is people want to keep "their" art as something special, it's pretty much a fanboy thing to disregard any other or new kind of art.

A play is considered art by the person observing. Whether this is because of the performance or the writing. The performance artist themselves are not 'art' they are equivilent to the paintbrush in production of a painting. The final outcome may be considered art and without them it might be considered junk but it is the final outcome that is the 'art'.

Perfect answer on your last point though, Art in itself is based on interpretation of what an individual considers art. Most gamers may consider some games art and other just entertainment, the same way a film maker would consider some films art and others entertainment. Art is subjective.



Hmm, pie.

The Fury said:
Porcupine_I said:

So, then let's plays would be considered art, but the game being played is not?

But i am pretty sure "things watched or looked at" is not a good definition for art.

Performance Artists would also strongly disagree.

The big problem here is people want to keep "their" art as something special, it's pretty much a fanboy thing to disregard any other or new kind of art.

A play is considered art by the person observing. Whether this is because of the performance or the writing. The performance artist themselves are not 'art' they are equivilent to the paintbrush in production of a painting. The final outcome may be considered art and without them it might be considered junk but it is the final outcome that is the 'art'.

Perfect answer on your last point though, Art in itself is based on interpretation of what an individual considers art. Most gamers may consider some games art and other just entertainment, the same way a film maker would consider some films art and others entertainment. Art is subjective.

Well, my initial pont was that i would like to hear a general definition of art from people who like to exclude video games.



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

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It's both art and not art, depending on the sole purpose of each specific game. There are some games that can be considered art, but most games are not art but pure entertainment.



Rogerioandrade said:
Videogames are not essentially art. They are basically just games, challenges for the player, they´re closer to board games in their essence than to art itself. But videogames are a form of entertainment that uses art to be produced, be it visual arts, music or interpretation.


There's something I feel you're missing about this as well.  There are a lot of games out there that aren't simply about being "a game" or "challenging the player," but has those elements to them.  For example, Final Fantasy games tend to focus a lot of story while also presenting a challenge (especially to those who seek it).  But, most people do NOT play Final Fantasy for the challenge or the game itself, but rather the experience.  Now some say you can't "experience" art, but only observe it.  But that makes no sense, because then what is art?  Can the blind never experience or even create a piece of art then?  Since a blind person cannot observe what he/she is creating, would it not become null as art if that is what art is supposed to be?



Rogerioandrade said:
Videogames are not essentially art. They are basically just games, challenges for the player, they´re closer to board games in their essence than to art itself. But videogames are a form of entertainment that uses art to be produced, be it visual arts, music or interpretation.


Yes! Finally someone who gets it, the rest are just bashing the art teacher.



MDMAlliance said:
Rogerioandrade said:
Videogames are not essentially art. They are basically just games, challenges for the player, they´re closer to board games in their essence than to art itself. But videogames are a form of entertainment that uses art to be produced, be it visual arts, music or interpretation.


There's something I feel you're missing about this as well.  There are a lot of games out there that aren't simply about being "a game" or "challenging the player," but has those elements to them.  For example, Final Fantasy games tend to focus a lot of story while also presenting a challenge (especially to those who seek it).  But, most people do NOT play Final Fantasy for the challenge or the game itself, but rather the experience.  Now some say you can't "experience" art, but only observe it.  But that makes no sense, because then what is art?  Can the blind never experience or even create a piece of art then?  Since a blind person cannot observe what he/she is creating, would it not become null as art if that is what art is supposed to be?

Video games must be "fun" at its most basic but Art doesn't have to be fun, even if Final Fantasy wants to tell a beautiful story it still has to be a fun game first.

The story part of Final Fantasy (the writting) is art but the whole video game is not is just using that art. Games like Journey convey feelings and express emotions but they at its basic inception must be designed to be a fun challenging experience.



MDMAlliance said:
Rogerioandrade said:
Videogames are not essentially art. They are basically just games, challenges for the player, they´re closer to board games in their essence than to art itself. But videogames are a form of entertainment that uses art to be produced, be it visual arts, music or interpretation.


There's something I feel you're missing about this as well.  There are a lot of games out there that aren't simply about being "a game" or "challenging the player," but has those elements to them.  For example, Final Fantasy games tend to focus a lot of story while also presenting a challenge (especially to those who seek it).  But, most people do NOT play Final Fantasy for the challenge or the game itself, but rather the experience.  Now some say you can't "experience" art, but only observe it.  But that makes no sense, because then what is art?  Can the blind never experience or even create a piece of art then?  Since a blind person cannot observe what he/she is creating, would it not become null as art if that is what art is supposed to be?

While story is very important on games like Rpg´s and Adventure´s,  it is basically a background where the challenges are proposed.  And if the player can´t overcome those challenges, be it strategic or skill challenges, they won´t be able to "experience" the story and any artistic pourpose it may have  won´t be accomplished. 

It´s not like a movie or a theather play, where you don´t have to interact directly with your skills, but rather observe it. Games are not simply contemplative/observative, there must be some kind of intervention from the player. And from this intervention some feelings may wake up, or not.

Art concept is quite vague and controversial,  basically anything that is made with the pourpose of expressing feelings or waking feelings on the audience can be somewhat considered art. But videogames are not designed primarly to do that. They are designed to offer a challenge. As they use art elements on it, then this feature may be present in them, not through the game itself but in artistic portions of it, like its music, story or visuals.

PS.: Of course blind people can experience and create pieces of art. Music is art, poetry is art, crafting is art. Many forms of art can be (and are meant to be) appreciated without vision.