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Multishanks on 19 January 2014
oniyide said:
Multishanks said:
oniyide said:
RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:

Vita isnt nearly as important as PS4, but you probably already know that.

Yup, I know that. It's nothing new to see it being swept under the rug in hopes that people forget about Sony's failures.

But my point stands. The reason for the calls that a console manufacturer should go third party isn't low hardware sales. It's that people are desperate to play Nintendo games on their PlayStations and Xboxes. If you were right, then we should see people begging for Sony to put games on the 3DS, because their handheld isn't selling.

its not being swept under the rug, its just not being brought up because people already knew how that was going down. SO their was no need fo dramatic emotion unlike the WIi U where people swore it was going to do great. Some people do want to play Ninty games on PS and xboxs no denial there but judging by the sales of Ninty games lately it cant be that much or people are just holding out in hopes that they will go 3rd party? kinda doubt it. Nobody has ever asked for Sony games to go to 3ds because nobody cares that much, not sure what your point about that is. But I guess you got to take your wins where you can get them no matter how small.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/10/22/the-playstation-vita-is-set-to-succeed

http://www.vg247.com/2011/03/25/analyst-sony-could-win-mobile-gaming-race-with-ngp-or-xperia-play/

 

 

just some examples. 

 

 

I thinl the reason, no one talks about it is because it is actually dead as a platform. I mean no developers otber than indies want ro touch the thing and Sony has all but branded the thing as a peripheral. With all the issues WiiU and Nintendo are facing, everyone still has some interest to at least see where the system is headed. Fanboyism aside.

 


you pulled articles from way back before even the Vita was revealed. Once it got revealed and released people realized quickly that it wasnt going to set the world on fire. Took people awhile with the WII U and some people are still in denial. Nobody talks about it cause they long accepted the faith. Funny thing is Wii U didnt really do that much better than Vita, hell I think it actually did worst.

Correction, I pulled one article from before the vita was revealed, the other one is from ign after it was revealed hence the use of the name vita. in it's title. In regards to the vita, I don't know how you think it's doing better than the Wii U when it's been out a year longer has only a couple million more sales than ....Wii U. I'm guessing as Sony bunches their official vita numbers with their psp numbers from time to time. I think last i remember then project was a combined 16 million and then dropping that to a combined 7 million ;p. 

In all seriousness, the crazy thing is, (drumroll) that could change, I just don't see Sony, or the media even acknowleging it as something to change, which is not good.



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brendude13 on 19 January 2014
Kaizar said:
brendude13 said:
Kaizar said:


The Wii U Zelda game will be 3D 1080p 60 fps with high res textures.

Isn't that extremely great enough?

Source?


The tech demo was 1080p 60 fps.

And Nintendo didn't release Mario Kart 8 until Spring 2K14 because they want it to be 1080p.

clearly Nintendo isn't in a rush releasing Zelda original U, just like Mario Kart 8.

Smash Bros. Four Wii U is made by a second party company, so doesn't have anything to do with this.

3D, well I just threw that in there because the Wii U can do it on pre-install firmware. Plus Nintendo said when enough people own a 3D TV they would start making all their newer1st party games 3D ready, so I assume there will be enough owners of 3D TVs by then, since Nintendo was only asking for a minimum of over 30 % increase of what were current owners at the time during 2011. 2015 has a good chance, but we will just have to see if Nintendo holds up to it, or if 3D slips their mind again.

That's not a source.



DanneSandin on 19 January 2014
drake4 said:

They need to just go thirdparty on consoles, they just don't have the core market that sony and microsoft, they can't compete and nintendo knows that and thats why they made the wii, and it was a huge success but thats not happening again the blue ocean market has moved on, they are stuck with out a market and no third party support, chances of being succesful are nearly impossible, the console is really hurting the company, they better focusing on handhelds and making x1 and ps4 games.

Here, read this: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=176382

It's quite a comprehensive post about why Nintendo wouldn't do well as 3rd party. Maybe read it two or three times even.



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Kaizar on 19 January 2014
oniyide said:
Kaizar said:
RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:
Zelhawks37 said:
oniyide said:

no other company has a console that is selling this badly.

The "Nintendo needs to go 3rd party" message has been going on since the Wii was selling well.

thats true...still doesnt change the fact that the other two are not having a bad time with their HW opposite in fact, hence why people dont tell them to go 3rd party.

oniyide, oniyide, oniyide...

Have you already forgotten that the Vita has absolutely cratered in the USA? So there is another company that has hardware selling as badly as the Wii U, but do you see people telling Sony to go third party? The reason why people don't tell Sony to do so is because nobody wants Sony's games.


Right on the money.

Sony & Microsoft wish they had games like Kid Icarus Uprising & Dillon's Rolling Weatern & Mario Kart 8 & The Wonderful 101 & X & Fire Emblem: Awakening & Mario Galaxy & Sonic Lost World Home Console & Lego City Undercover part 1 & Bayonetta Sequels + side stories & Pokémon Emerald/Black/White/2 & Star Fox & Metroid & Zone of the Enders 3 & King of Pirates trilogy & Rodea the Sky Soldier & Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon & Project X Zone & Monster Hunter 4 & Rhythm Thief 1 + 2 & Professor Layton VS. Phoenix Wright & ZombiU 2 & etc.

At least Sonyn& Microsoft gives us Call of Duty & Assassin's Creed and.....oh wait, I can play all these games on the Wii U, making PS & Xbox already lacking reasons to be bought, especially when the Wii U gets the Definitive Version of a lot of these games, like Batman Arkham games & Deus Ex & Mass Effect & Darksiders & Lego Batman & Amazing Spider-Man & etc.

And 5 players multiplayer can only be done on the Wii U for multiplatform games like Call of Duty & etc.

Nintendo has already become an all in one place, which makes me think the only reason the OP is asking Nintendo to go 3rd party, is because there is now no way out for Sony & Microsoft, once word of mouth gets out to every gamer in the next 1 to 2 years.


oh please Halo and GT say hi. Half those games that Sony and MS wished they had flopped. W101 flopped. Sonic LMAO. please it probably wont even match 360 version Sonic Generation.

If those games are so great and people want them why is nobody buying the system to play them. if 5 player MP is so important for COD why is the WIi U version the worst selling one. Why cant SOny keep PS4s on the shelves and Ninty has to take back stock?


Sonic Generations on the 3DS has sold a lot now, because it has legs when it's on a Nintendo system.



oniyide on 19 January 2014
Multishanks said:
oniyide said:
Multishanks said:
oniyide said:
RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:

Vita isnt nearly as important as PS4, but you probably already know that.

Yup, I know that. It's nothing new to see it being swept under the rug in hopes that people forget about Sony's failures.

But my point stands. The reason for the calls that a console manufacturer should go third party isn't low hardware sales. It's that people are desperate to play Nintendo games on their PlayStations and Xboxes. If you were right, then we should see people begging for Sony to put games on the 3DS, because their handheld isn't selling.

its not being swept under the rug, its just not being brought up because people already knew how that was going down. SO their was no need fo dramatic emotion unlike the WIi U where people swore it was going to do great. Some people do want to play Ninty games on PS and xboxs no denial there but judging by the sales of Ninty games lately it cant be that much or people are just holding out in hopes that they will go 3rd party? kinda doubt it. Nobody has ever asked for Sony games to go to 3ds because nobody cares that much, not sure what your point about that is. But I guess you got to take your wins where you can get them no matter how small.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/10/22/the-playstation-vita-is-set-to-succeed

http://www.vg247.com/2011/03/25/analyst-sony-could-win-mobile-gaming-race-with-ngp-or-xperia-play/

 

 

just some examples. 

 

 

I thinl the reason, no one talks about it is because it is actually dead as a platform. I mean no developers otber than indies want ro touch the thing and Sony has all but branded the thing as a peripheral. With all the issues WiiU and Nintendo are facing, everyone still has some interest to at least see where the system is headed. Fanboyism aside.

 


you pulled articles from way back before even the Vita was revealed. Once it got revealed and released people realized quickly that it wasnt going to set the world on fire. Took people awhile with the WII U and some people are still in denial. Nobody talks about it cause they long accepted the faith. Funny thing is Wii U didnt really do that much better than Vita, hell I think it actually did worst.

Correction, I pulled one article from before the vita was revealed, the other one is from ign after it was revealed hence the use of the name vita. in it's title. In regards to the vita, I don't know how you think it's doing better than the Wii U when it's been out a year longer has only a couple million more sales than ....Wii U. I'm guessing as Sony bunches their official vita numbers with their psp numbers from time to time. I think last i remember then project was a combined 16 million and then dropping that to a combined 7 million ;p. 

In all seriousness, the crazy thing is, (drumroll) that could change, I just don't see Sony, or the media even acknowleging it as something to change, which is not good.

hence why i said after RELEASE people realized. Pull me a couple of articles after Vita was released where people were saying it would set the world on fire. And i was comparing last year sales. Vita sold better than Wii U in 2013 for the most part.

Sony most likely makes a profit off of Vita by now. I think they broke even when it released, hence why you dont see them in real panic mode or anyone tripping. Remember Vita is a portable so its automatically not going ot have the importance of a home console hence will be met by less scrutiny. Plus its following the PSP which did ok. Wii U is a console, bigger spotlight. and its following the WIi. Fact is expectations for wii U has been much bigger than Vita. There not even close



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oniyide on 19 January 2014
Kaizar said:
oniyide said:
Kaizar said:
RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:
Zelhawks37 said:
oniyide said:

no other company has a console that is selling this badly.

The "Nintendo needs to go 3rd party" message has been going on since the Wii was selling well.

thats true...still doesnt change the fact that the other two are not having a bad time with their HW opposite in fact, hence why people dont tell them to go 3rd party.

oniyide, oniyide, oniyide...

Have you already forgotten that the Vita has absolutely cratered in the USA? So there is another company that has hardware selling as badly as the Wii U, but do you see people telling Sony to go third party? The reason why people don't tell Sony to do so is because nobody wants Sony's games.


Right on the money.

Sony & Microsoft wish they had games like Kid Icarus Uprising & Dillon's Rolling Weatern & Mario Kart 8 & The Wonderful 101 & X & Fire Emblem: Awakening & Mario Galaxy & Sonic Lost World Home Console & Lego City Undercover part 1 & Bayonetta Sequels + side stories & Pokémon Emerald/Black/White/2 & Star Fox & Metroid & Zone of the Enders 3 & King of Pirates trilogy & Rodea the Sky Soldier & Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon & Project X Zone & Monster Hunter 4 & Rhythm Thief 1 + 2 & Professor Layton VS. Phoenix Wright & ZombiU 2 & etc.

At least Sonyn& Microsoft gives us Call of Duty & Assassin's Creed and.....oh wait, I can play all these games on the Wii U, making PS & Xbox already lacking reasons to be bought, especially when the Wii U gets the Definitive Version of a lot of these games, like Batman Arkham games & Deus Ex & Mass Effect & Darksiders & Lego Batman & Amazing Spider-Man & etc.

And 5 players multiplayer can only be done on the Wii U for multiplatform games like Call of Duty & etc.

Nintendo has already become an all in one place, which makes me think the only reason the OP is asking Nintendo to go 3rd party, is because there is now no way out for Sony & Microsoft, once word of mouth gets out to every gamer in the next 1 to 2 years.


oh please Halo and GT say hi. Half those games that Sony and MS wished they had flopped. W101 flopped. Sonic LMAO. please it probably wont even match 360 version Sonic Generation.

If those games are so great and people want them why is nobody buying the system to play them. if 5 player MP is so important for COD why is the WIi U version the worst selling one. Why cant SOny keep PS4s on the shelves and Ninty has to take back stock?


Sonic Generations on the 3DS has sold a lot now, because it has legs when it's on a Nintendo system.


way to move goalposts, we're talking consoles here buddy. Hell the fact that the WIi U version of Lost World did worst than the 3ds one just proves my point. and the 3ds generations still has to catch 360 and PS3 one. not really their not even the same damn game. way to avoid my questions BTW



Ljink96 on 19 January 2014

Everyone makes money... good money too. I just don't want to see such a powerful company result to such means. I mean, SEGA wasn't no where near as popular as Nintendo so I understand their dilemma but Nintendo... on Xbox! I can't see that happening! I don't mind Mario on PS but on Xbox is just wrong.



Multishanks on 19 January 2014
oniyide said:
Multishanks said:
oniyide said:
Multishanks said:
oniyide said:
RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:

Vita isnt nearly as important as PS4, but you probably already know that.

Yup, I know that. It's nothing new to see it being swept under the rug in hopes that people forget about Sony's failures.

But my point stands. The reason for the calls that a console manufacturer should go third party isn't low hardware sales. It's that people are desperate to play Nintendo games on their PlayStations and Xboxes. If you were right, then we should see people begging for Sony to put games on the 3DS, because their handheld isn't selling.

its not being swept under the rug, its just not being brought up because people already knew how that was going down. SO their was no need fo dramatic emotion unlike the WIi U where people swore it was going to do great. Some people do want to play Ninty games on PS and xboxs no denial there but judging by the sales of Ninty games lately it cant be that much or people are just holding out in hopes that they will go 3rd party? kinda doubt it. Nobody has ever asked for Sony games to go to 3ds because nobody cares that much, not sure what your point about that is. But I guess you got to take your wins where you can get them no matter how small.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/10/22/the-playstation-vita-is-set-to-succeed

http://www.vg247.com/2011/03/25/analyst-sony-could-win-mobile-gaming-race-with-ngp-or-xperia-play/

 

 

just some examples. 

 

 

I thinl the reason, no one talks about it is because it is actually dead as a platform. I mean no developers otber than indies want ro touch the thing and Sony has all but branded the thing as a peripheral. With all the issues WiiU and Nintendo are facing, everyone still has some interest to at least see where the system is headed. Fanboyism aside.

 


you pulled articles from way back before even the Vita was revealed. Once it got revealed and released people realized quickly that it wasnt going to set the world on fire. Took people awhile with the WII U and some people are still in denial. Nobody talks about it cause they long accepted the faith. Funny thing is Wii U didnt really do that much better than Vita, hell I think it actually did worst.

Correction, I pulled one article from before the vita was revealed, the other one is from ign after it was revealed hence the use of the name vita. in it's title. In regards to the vita, I don't know how you think it's doing better than the Wii U when it's been out a year longer has only a couple million more sales than ....Wii U. I'm guessing as Sony bunches their official vita numbers with their psp numbers from time to time. I think last i remember then project was a combined 16 million and then dropping that to a combined 7 million ;p. 

In all seriousness, the crazy thing is, (drumroll) that could change, I just don't see Sony, or the media even acknowleging it as something to change, which is not good.

hence why i said after RELEASE people realized. Pull me a couple of articles after Vita was released where people were saying it would set the world on fire. And i was comparing last year sales. Vita sold better than Wii U in 2013 for the most part.

Sony most likely makes a profit off of Vita by now. I think they broke even when it released, hence why you dont see them in real panic mode or anyone tripping. Remember Vita is a portable so its automatically not going ot have the importance of a home console hence will be met by less scrutiny. Plus its following the PSP which did ok. Wii U is a console, bigger spotlight. and its following the WIi. Fact is expectations for wii U has been much bigger than Vita. There not even close


I must've missed where you said release before.....

and i still don't see what the point is about them being home consoles or portable. They are both failures.

 

You are all over the place man. 

I get it Sony's uber successful and Nintendo is a fuck up. Make you happy? Cuz I really could give two ***** either way. All I know is that at least Wii U has a future as something more than a 3ds streaming service. As someone interested in the Vita, I can't exactly say the same for it in regards to the PS4.



Kaizar on 19 January 2014
Multishanks said:
oniyide said:
Multishanks said:
oniyide said:
Multishanks said:
oniyide said:
RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:

Vita isnt nearly as important as PS4, but you probably already know that.

Yup, I know that. It's nothing new to see it being swept under the rug in hopes that people forget about Sony's failures.

But my point stands. The reason for the calls that a console manufacturer should go third party isn't low hardware sales. It's that people are desperate to play Nintendo games on their PlayStations and Xboxes. If you were right, then we should see people begging for Sony to put games on the 3DS, because their handheld isn't selling.

its not being swept under the rug, its just not being brought up because people already knew how that was going down. SO their was no need fo dramatic emotion unlike the WIi U where people swore it was going to do great. Some people do want to play Ninty games on PS and xboxs no denial there but judging by the sales of Ninty games lately it cant be that much or people are just holding out in hopes that they will go 3rd party? kinda doubt it. Nobody has ever asked for Sony games to go to 3ds because nobody cares that much, not sure what your point about that is. But I guess you got to take your wins where you can get them no matter how small.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/10/22/the-playstation-vita-is-set-to-succeed

http://www.vg247.com/2011/03/25/analyst-sony-could-win-mobile-gaming-race-with-ngp-or-xperia-play/

 

 

just some examples. 

 

 

I thinl the reason, no one talks about it is because it is actually dead as a platform. I mean no developers otber than indies want ro touch the thing and Sony has all but branded the thing as a peripheral. With all the issues WiiU and Nintendo are facing, everyone still has some interest to at least see where the system is headed. Fanboyism aside.

 


you pulled articles from way back before even the Vita was revealed. Once it got revealed and released people realized quickly that it wasnt going to set the world on fire. Took people awhile with the WII U and some people are still in denial. Nobody talks about it cause they long accepted the faith. Funny thing is Wii U didnt really do that much better than Vita, hell I think it actually did worst.

Correction, I pulled one article from before the vita was revealed, the other one is from ign after it was revealed hence the use of the name vita. in it's title. In regards to the vita, I don't know how you think it's doing better than the Wii U when it's been out a year longer has only a couple million more sales than ....Wii U. I'm guessing as Sony bunches their official vita numbers with their psp numbers from time to time. I think last i remember then project was a combined 16 million and then dropping that to a combined 7 million ;p. 

In all seriousness, the crazy thing is, (drumroll) that could change, I just don't see Sony, or the media even acknowleging it as something to change, which is not good.

hence why i said after RELEASE people realized. Pull me a couple of articles after Vita was released where people were saying it would set the world on fire. And i was comparing last year sales. Vita sold better than Wii U in 2013 for the most part.

Sony most likely makes a profit off of Vita by now. I think they broke even when it released, hence why you dont see them in real panic mode or anyone tripping. Remember Vita is a portable so its automatically not going ot have the importance of a home console hence will be met by less scrutiny. Plus its following the PSP which did ok. Wii U is a console, bigger spotlight. and its following the WIi. Fact is expectations for wii U has been much bigger than Vita. There not even close


I must've missed where you said release before.....

and i still don't see what the point is about them being home consoles or portable. They are both failures.

 

You are all over the place man. 

I get it Sony's uber successful and Nintendo is a fuck up. Make you happy? Cuz I really could give two ***** either way. All I know is that at least Wii U has a future as something more than a 3ds streaming service. As someone interested in the Vita, I can't exactly say the same for it in regards to the PS4.


You said it.

Right on the money.



oniyide on 19 January 2014
Multishanks said:
oniyide said:
Multishanks said:
oniyide said:
Multishanks said:
oniyide said:
RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:

Vita isnt nearly as important as PS4, but you probably already know that.

Yup, I know that. It's nothing new to see it being swept under the rug in hopes that people forget about Sony's failures.

But my point stands. The reason for the calls that a console manufacturer should go third party isn't low hardware sales. It's that people are desperate to play Nintendo games on their PlayStations and Xboxes. If you were right, then we should see people begging for Sony to put games on the 3DS, because their handheld isn't selling.

its not being swept under the rug, its just not being brought up because people already knew how that was going down. SO their was no need fo dramatic emotion unlike the WIi U where people swore it was going to do great. Some people do want to play Ninty games on PS and xboxs no denial there but judging by the sales of Ninty games lately it cant be that much or people are just holding out in hopes that they will go 3rd party? kinda doubt it. Nobody has ever asked for Sony games to go to 3ds because nobody cares that much, not sure what your point about that is. But I guess you got to take your wins where you can get them no matter how small.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/10/22/the-playstation-vita-is-set-to-succeed

http://www.vg247.com/2011/03/25/analyst-sony-could-win-mobile-gaming-race-with-ngp-or-xperia-play/

 

 

just some examples. 

 

 

I thinl the reason, no one talks about it is because it is actually dead as a platform. I mean no developers otber than indies want ro touch the thing and Sony has all but branded the thing as a peripheral. With all the issues WiiU and Nintendo are facing, everyone still has some interest to at least see where the system is headed. Fanboyism aside.

 


you pulled articles from way back before even the Vita was revealed. Once it got revealed and released people realized quickly that it wasnt going to set the world on fire. Took people awhile with the WII U and some people are still in denial. Nobody talks about it cause they long accepted the faith. Funny thing is Wii U didnt really do that much better than Vita, hell I think it actually did worst.

Correction, I pulled one article from before the vita was revealed, the other one is from ign after it was revealed hence the use of the name vita. in it's title. In regards to the vita, I don't know how you think it's doing better than the Wii U when it's been out a year longer has only a couple million more sales than ....Wii U. I'm guessing as Sony bunches their official vita numbers with their psp numbers from time to time. I think last i remember then project was a combined 16 million and then dropping that to a combined 7 million ;p. 

In all seriousness, the crazy thing is, (drumroll) that could change, I just don't see Sony, or the media even acknowleging it as something to change, which is not good.

hence why i said after RELEASE people realized. Pull me a couple of articles after Vita was released where people were saying it would set the world on fire. And i was comparing last year sales. Vita sold better than Wii U in 2013 for the most part.

Sony most likely makes a profit off of Vita by now. I think they broke even when it released, hence why you dont see them in real panic mode or anyone tripping. Remember Vita is a portable so its automatically not going ot have the importance of a home console hence will be met by less scrutiny. Plus its following the PSP which did ok. Wii U is a console, bigger spotlight. and its following the WIi. Fact is expectations for wii U has been much bigger than Vita. There not even close


I must've missed where you said release before.....

and i still don't see what the point is about them being home consoles or portable. They are both failures.

 

You are all over the place man. 

I get it Sony's uber successful and Nintendo is a fuck up. Make you happy? Cuz I really could give two ***** either way. All I know is that at least Wii U has a future as something more than a 3ds streaming service. As someone interested in the Vita, I can't exactly say the same for it in regards to the PS4.

Yes they are, but the expectations for Wii U was much higher for Vita, these are facts you cant ignore. It was seen pre release and post release. So they cant even be judged on the same wavelength. Why would we so so much Wii U articles and not as much Vita otherwise?

Doesnt make me happy i could care less. I just find it funny how some defenders of WIi U pull Vita into it as to make them look better, which is said in of itself. Fact is Wii U is supposed to be beating Vita and it isnt even doing that. hell by this time WIi U was supposed to have passed Vita at this point, some people around here were swearing. Why would Wii U be a streaming device for 3ds? you see how that doesnt make sense? you see how the two cant be compared.