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Marihuana is not good

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“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

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We should disallow everything which could cause the slightest problem in humanities aim to live only for productivity. God forbid that humans also want to do stuff which they like and don't only think about how they could be as productive as possible.

Those movies about the future where people are only allowed to do what makes every single person as effective as possible remind me about this thread.

All I can say about my personal experience is that everyone who wants to take this already does it (which were probably more than 50% of the people I knew when I was younger) and of all these people, nobody ended as someone living in the Metro pumping some worse stuff in their veins. Most of them also stopped with it when they were 25 or so so that it doesn't seem to be too bad. All those people who drank alcohol still do it

The only real difference between allowing it and disallowing it is that criminal "associations" profit a lot from the fact that is isn't allowed since that is the reason why people get it from them.

And to be honest, I think games are also a problem for a few people so that we would also have to disallow them if you think "making people lazy" is a problem for the society.



While I think smoking anything is absolutely stupid, it should only be illegal if we also make a ton of various over the counter and prescription drugs as well as cigarettes illegal as they are all far worse for the body.



oldschoolfool said:

I know there's a marijuana thread,but I wanted to debate this specific topic. If the mods close this thread,then I'll understand. So,why should marijuana be legal. There's no real benifit 2 it at all. All it does is make you a lazy unproductive member of society. What good does that do to be high all the time and do nothing in life,but live for that high. Anybody that wants to use it for medical purposes is just using that as an excuse to get high. according to my reading,the drug produces anxiety,fear,distrust and panic. It also affects your posture,coordination and reaction time. It can also cause dellusions and hallucinations. it can also increase heart rate and cause sleep impairment. How does all that give you these magical medical benefits. I just don't understand what's so great about this so-called magical drug. For the record,I don't understand the point of booze and tobacco,but those things are legal. Why make just another bad thing for you,legal. It benifits no one. If I had my way,booze and tobacco would be outlawed. There's no benefit in any of these things. 

To be honest, your opinion seems so prejudiced/set in stone that I doubt anyone could possibly convince you, even if he had the best arguments. But I'll try anyway.

You seem the have the usual "all in all, marijuana has more negative than positive effects, so it should be illegal"-attitude that from my experience is widespread mong people who've never actually taken it. But that applies to all drugs, and the hypocrisy is astonishing, as most of these people would never even consider prohibiting alcohol despite being even more dangerous, because that's a drug they are consuming as well, so they would invent a thousand more or less laughable reasons for not banning alcohol. Hell, they don't even consider it a "drug", just because in their mind, "drugs" are what people consume that they despise - not themselves, of course! You however want to ban alcohol too, which is rather unusual - but in the end, that only suggests that you consume no alcohol as well.

Thing is: Yes, all in all, all drugs are rather negative than positive, including of course, marijuana. But that doesn't imply that banning them is a great idea. Think of marijuana prohibition like alcohol prohibition: Legalizing a drug does not mean that the drug has a "national seal of being harmless" or even being a positive thing - it's just the lesser of two evils. It's acknowledging that people who take drugs don't just take them for fun (even though many drug users will cheat themselves on that question), they take them because they have problems, so they should be helped, not punished, especially since by taking drugs they only hurt themselves, not others.

I know, the comparison is somewhat flawed, but imagine a country trying to fight depression (or, say, kids cutting their skin with knifes) by simply outlawing it. It wouldn't stop people from being like this - it would only stop them from talking about their problems with others, making their situation even worse.



Because much like with Prohibition back in the 1920s. the advantages are far outweighed by the disadvantages.

Yes it's undoubtedly true that the ban of liquor did work. It did kept alcohol abuse down, and it curbed consumption among the general public, BUT..........Those few benefits were not worth it when organized crime came about. There were so many bootleggers, and rum runners that they were making a shit ton of money off of liquor on the streets, they soon became so big that the authorities couldn't bring them down. As a result violence went up among the cops, criminals, and even innocent people over money and booze.

Same thing with cannabis, Mexico is in bad shape right now because of the violence the cartels brought over when they got a hold of the cannabis market.

Say what you want about why you don't want it legalized but you have to understand that the current laws are not going to stop people from using it. It's only going to make them into criminals whether through the black market, or by throwing them in jail.

The whole motive behind demonizing cannabis is very similar with the controversy behind absinthe. Much like with the textile, oil, and paper companies, the wine industry of France didn't like it that people were liking this new drink (absinthe) so they found ways to demonize it. Like with the cannabis they claimed it rotted your brain, and caused other health issues. Absinthe distilleries are now back on their feet after the govt. of France lifted the ban; as well as in the in the US (in 07). Hopefully this will happen to cannabis as well and end all the BS scare tactics.



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Well there are so much more alcohol related deaths than there would ever be by smoking marijuana.



OP sounds very biased. Let me guess: You've never tried weed for yourself but you're basing your argument on "research" or what your parents told you about it.

Obviously, if you did nothing but smoke all day, then you would be an unproductive member of socieity. Same thing goes to drinking all day. Should alcohol be illegal? Or watching tv all day. Should tv be illegal? Or eating all day. You get my point.

Bottom line: if alcohol, which causes thousands of deaths each year; and cigarettes, which also causes thousands of deaths each year; is legal, then marijuana should also be legal. There are zero confirmed deaths from marijuana overdose or related incidents in the history of, ever.

Your argument does not really have a leg to stand on; just biased.



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I don't even smoke pot, but if pot's illegal, then it only makes sense to ban everything worse for you than it. Sooo.. goodbye alcohol, cigarettes, prescription and over the counter medicine, fast food, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.. Legalize it.




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I find people who fear marijuana the most, understand it the least. They don't know the facts, research, studies, and history(yet still try to comment on it anyway, why not read a little before you open your ignorant trap). Marijuana for the most part hasn't been an arrest-able offence in Canada for a long time, our society is fine, productivity is unaffected, and I don't see everybody in my country " do nothing in life,but live for that high."

Some interesting facts about Marijuana; it wasn't considered harmful, dangerous, or "wrong" till 1937, before than it was one of the most important crops in America and vital for America's industrialization, it was used in many American products before 1937; household, medicinal, and industrial products, etc., Benjamin Franklin open the first paper mill using marijuana.

The reasons why it was criminalized were based on incredibly racist lies and myths, the man who was head of the criminalizing campaign Harry J. Anslinger, was an extremely out-spoken racist. This man's words are the reason why Marijuana is still considered evil, harmful or bad today.

“Marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes.”
“…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”
“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”
“Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”

These are all on record too, google them if you like. Also newspapers wrote editorials such as ; “Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men’s shadows and look at a white woman twice.” "Marijuana makes coloreds go crazy and kill everyone around them".

These were some of the reasons why Marijuana was made illegal. It was the same story in Canada, marijuana was a threat to white women and children except this time from Chinese(ugh Canada, really?). I honestly can't believe anybody today would think these reasons are legitimate or could possibly stand behind them or think this man did a good thing. The entire laws are made on nothing but lies, there was no science nor research. We seem to think the laws and criminalization of Marijuana came from enlightened and intelligent minds, they didn't. People were generally morons in the 1930's and they bought into all this hook, line, and sinker. This is a culture where black people were segregated, had no civil rights, gays had no rights, etc. We're still letting this trash and this moronic man affect our society and culture today.