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fordy on 16 January 2014
fps_d0minat0r said:
fordy said:
fps_d0minat0r said:

good logic with the cat and dog, except im not sure where I said trophies were games, ive used the terms 'plus' and 'feature' a lot, so im disappointed you havent taken notice of that.

"You're saying that trophy collecting is just as enthralling as the game itself?"

no I did not say that, you pulled it out of youre arse like most other things you *think* I have said.

 

You still havent explained why you do such a trivial thing such as playing games. It bears no achievement and has been ridiculed much more than trophies.

you cant see that the same argument youre using against me to not approve of trophies is being used by millions of people around to world to not approve of games in general which is a shame on you.

The feelings are towards a hobby, not a company. I just pick sony consoles because they release the most exclusives in the genres of games I like.

So you're saying that just because you class them as an 'addition', they should be exempt from scrutiny because they differ from games, yet at the same time you're trying to put them on the same class as games themselves to ask why I play games but do not bother with trophies. Brilliant reasoning there! Your contradictions on the same post are becoming more and more frequent.

The reason for the outline of the logical argument was that you cannot make a logical implication based on factors if ALL factors are not taken into consideration, and that's where your argument still fails. If this is what you consider a logically sound argument, I could ask you the contrary, that since you do everything that bears no achievement and is ridculed, why aren't you out there sucking bile out of dead roadkill, or arranging stones in order of size or importance (please God don't tell me that you actually do those things...) since those also meet said requirements to make the same connection?

Do you see now why your argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, or are you just going all-out now without any regards for making yourself look even more ridiculous? Shame on who? The only shame that I might have is finding amusement at your failure to grasp simple logical implication...

I don't believe your last paragraph for a second. Why? Because your kneejerk reaction to the pic was to try and ridicule Nintendo fans, not the people who do not like achievements/trophies in general. You're trying to hide your initial agenda, but it can be clearly seen: you're trying to NOT pass yourself as a defender of a corporate entity, but the thread history shows otherwise. Nice try though; unlike you, I can remember the entire history of the post, where your performance has ranged from contradicting yourself from 3 posts ago, to contradicting youself on the SAME post, with some backpedalling in between...

However, I can see clear as day as to what you're TRYING to do; you're trying to find something on me that I'm interested in that you can attack, despite everything that you bring up 1. having absolutely NO relevance to the initial topic, 2. failing miserably for being off target, or 3. something that I wouldn't give a shit about. Incredibly amusing however, watching you take stabs in the dark like that. Each miss is only making you look all the more desperate, and highlights your failure to argue both on-topic, and with reasonable logical implication in regards to the topic.

You just sound silly when you talk about logic after writing such a long comment assuming games and trophies are mutually exclusive, and ignore the fact that in addition to collecting trophies, im still enjoying tons of great games of a wide variety, including multiplatforms, exclusives and indies.

Even if I side with the stupidity that its ok to compare trophies with games, I dont lose anything because I do both.

So once again, what is youre point?

If you want me to admit to something that makes you feel happy, just tell me and I will get this over and done with....and I will be furious if its something I already mentioned 10 comments ago and I have to requote it to you.

So here's the attempted defense, I see...

Show me where the pic, or the replies constituted as me saying that games and achievements were deemed mutually exclusive. It doesn't defeat the point at all. You wanted reasons, I gave reasons. You chose to ignore said reasons and now use a defense of "I can do both", like it constitutes any valid defense to the arguments raised. You're the one who brought games into this, while the initial criticism was squared directly at trophies/achievements, once again, from a pic that set you off way too far.

You apparently did lose something from it (most likely temper), after what was a small pic taking a shot at your "centralised achievements" comments was too much for you to contain. Once again, if you get off to trophies, I don't care, but that doesn't escape the fact that you took criticism of it WAY too personally.

You want a point? I've been making you look ridiculous each time you've put a reply out to me, hinting heavily that you should stop while you're ahead. Backpedalling, contradicting and now an attempted defense.....I've already told you what I'm getting out of this, and you keep playing into it, so don't expect an answer other than "read a previous comment".



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fps_d0minat0r on 16 January 2014
fordy said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
fordy said:
fps_d0minat0r said:

good logic with the cat and dog, except im not sure where I said trophies were games, ive used the terms 'plus' and 'feature' a lot, so im disappointed you havent taken notice of that.

"You're saying that trophy collecting is just as enthralling as the game itself?"

no I did not say that, you pulled it out of youre arse like most other things you *think* I have said.

 

You still havent explained why you do such a trivial thing such as playing games. It bears no achievement and has been ridiculed much more than trophies.

you cant see that the same argument youre using against me to not approve of trophies is being used by millions of people around to world to not approve of games in general which is a shame on you.

The feelings are towards a hobby, not a company. I just pick sony consoles because they release the most exclusives in the genres of games I like.

So you're saying that just because you class them as an 'addition', they should be exempt from scrutiny because they differ from games, yet at the same time you're trying to put them on the same class as games themselves to ask why I play games but do not bother with trophies. Brilliant reasoning there! Your contradictions on the same post are becoming more and more frequent.

The reason for the outline of the logical argument was that you cannot make a logical implication based on factors if ALL factors are not taken into consideration, and that's where your argument still fails. If this is what you consider a logically sound argument, I could ask you the contrary, that since you do everything that bears no achievement and is ridculed, why aren't you out there sucking bile out of dead roadkill, or arranging stones in order of size or importance (please God don't tell me that you actually do those things...) since those also meet said requirements to make the same connection?

Do you see now why your argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, or are you just going all-out now without any regards for making yourself look even more ridiculous? Shame on who? The only shame that I might have is finding amusement at your failure to grasp simple logical implication...

I don't believe your last paragraph for a second. Why? Because your kneejerk reaction to the pic was to try and ridicule Nintendo fans, not the people who do not like achievements/trophies in general. You're trying to hide your initial agenda, but it can be clearly seen: you're trying to NOT pass yourself as a defender of a corporate entity, but the thread history shows otherwise. Nice try though; unlike you, I can remember the entire history of the post, where your performance has ranged from contradicting yourself from 3 posts ago, to contradicting youself on the SAME post, with some backpedalling in between...

However, I can see clear as day as to what you're TRYING to do; you're trying to find something on me that I'm interested in that you can attack, despite everything that you bring up 1. having absolutely NO relevance to the initial topic, 2. failing miserably for being off target, or 3. something that I wouldn't give a shit about. Incredibly amusing however, watching you take stabs in the dark like that. Each miss is only making you look all the more desperate, and highlights your failure to argue both on-topic, and with reasonable logical implication in regards to the topic.

You just sound silly when you talk about logic after writing such a long comment assuming games and trophies are mutually exclusive, and ignore the fact that in addition to collecting trophies, im still enjoying tons of great games of a wide variety, including multiplatforms, exclusives and indies.

Even if I side with the stupidity that its ok to compare trophies with games, I dont lose anything because I do both.

So once again, what is youre point?

If you want me to admit to something that makes you feel happy, just tell me and I will get this over and done with....and I will be furious if its something I already mentioned 10 comments ago and I have to requote it to you.

So here's the attempted defense, I see...

Show me where the pic, or the replies constituted as me saying that games and achievements were deemed mutually exclusive. It doesn't defeat the point at all. You wanted reasons, I gave reasons. You chose to ignore said reasons and now use a defense of "I can do both", like it constitutes any valid defense to the arguments raised. You're the one who brought games into this, while the initial criticism was squared directly at trophies/achievements, once again, from a pic that set you off way too far.

You apparently did lose something from it (most likely temper), after what was a small pic taking a shot at your "centralised achievements" comments was too much for you to contain. Once again, if you get off to trophies, I don't care, but that doesn't escape the fact that you took criticism of it WAY too personally.

You want a point? I've been making you look ridiculous each time you've put a reply out to me, hinting heavily that you should stop while you're ahead. Backpedalling, contradicting and now an attempted defense.....I've already told you what I'm getting out of this, and you keep playing into it, so don't expect an answer other than "read a previous comment".


Show me where I said that trophies were better than games themselves.

I couldnt say that even if I wanted to because its impossible as they are not mutually exclusive as mentioned previously....to get trophies, I need to play games...so at the very least, I would be doing what you enjoy (playing the games), I would just be going 1 step further with trophies.

I have already shown you where I said it was a 'plus' and a 'feature'



fordy on 16 January 2014
fps_d0minat0r said:


Show me where I said that trophies were better than games themselves.

I couldnt say that even if I wanted to because its impossible as they are not mutually exclusive as mentioned previously....to get trophies, I need to play games...so at the very least, I would be doing what you enjoy (playing the games), I would just be going 1 step further with trophies.

I have already shown you where I said it was a 'plus' and a 'feature'


Backpedalling more, I see..

Even if I showed you a post that you found games to be a redundant chore to trophies, or that your views were similar to mine, the INITIAL ARGUMENT STILL REMAINS UNCHANGED. How does liking trophies any level more/less than games change the fact that you took a picture way too seriously? How does it change that you attempted some kind of "team mentality" defense by wanting to push them onto Nintendo owners (which is completely off, since Nintendo wasn't mentioned anywhere, but then again, you seem to try to drag any old random thing to constitue into your arguments)? 

As I've already mentioned that several posts before when you accused me of "not liking games", I'll assume that you're not reading replies fully. Either that, or you've hit your limit of what previous posts you can remember, we've already established that that was a problem for you two posts ago...

Trust me, some "games" that contain trophies are an incredibly loose definition...

It's a plus and a feature, but apparently you wish to force it onto a group of users who 1. Don't seem to be kicking up much of a fuss about not having it, and 2. Probably tried it on another console and found it wasn't for them. I've given arguments on how it can affect games negatively, and therefore make it more of a 'minus' than a 'plus'. You chose to igore those points, and go straight to accusing me of not liking games if I didn't like trophies. If you wanted to avoid all of this, maybe you should have taken those points into consideration, instead of digging yourself deeper and needing to backpedal out of it...



lukeroux on 16 January 2014

My console/computer history:
1990-1992 Commodore 64 I was like 1-3 years old, I don't remember much, only playing Giana Sisters(Super Mario clone)

1992-1996 Amiga 500 and Sega Mega Drive my dad impuls bought the mega drive while shopping in Germany, loved Sonic and Alladin

1996-2003 N64 and PSX My dad bought me N64 because Super Mario 64 was the big thing back then, graphics were amazing, it's still my all time favorite game. In 1999 my parent gave me ps one, mainly because you could play bootleg games on in, still had some original games like tekken 3 - best fighting game of all time.

2003-2006 only pc, I played only counter-strike

2007-2009 Xbox 360, First system I bought with my own money, I got xbox instead of ps3 because it was MUCH cheaper.

2009-now, my x360 died just after my warranty was over so I bought PS3 because online multiplayer was free and in my opinion had better exclusive titles, still playing it and I love PS+ ;)

2013-now, PS4, Why PS4?: Xbox One is not avaible officialy in my country(Poland), PS4 has better specs, I've already had 1+ ps+ subscription, don't care for motion controls, PS4 is cheaper, God of War and Uncharted series, I love playing FIFA online and all my gamer friends already got or plan on getting ps4.



fps_d0minat0r on 16 January 2014
fordy said:
fps_d0minat0r said:


Show me where I said that trophies were better than games themselves.

I couldnt say that even if I wanted to because its impossible as they are not mutually exclusive as mentioned previously....to get trophies, I need to play games...so at the very least, I would be doing what you enjoy (playing the games), I would just be going 1 step further with trophies.

I have already shown you where I said it was a 'plus' and a 'feature'


Backpedalling more, I see..

Even if I showed you a post that you found games to be a redundant chore to trophies, or that your views were similar to mine, the INITIAL ARGUMENT STILL REMAINS UNCHANGED. How does liking trophies any level more/less than games change the fact that you took a picture way too seriously? How does it change that you attempted some kind of "team mentality" defense by wanting to push them onto Nintendo owners (which is completely off, since Nintendo wasn't mentioned anywhere, but then again, you seem to try to drag any old random thing to constitue into your arguments)? 

As I've already mentioned that several posts before when you accused me of "not liking games", I'll assume that you're not reading replies fully. Either that, or you've hit your limit of what previous posts you can remember, we've already established that that was a problem for you two posts ago...

Trust me, some "games" that contain trophies are an incredibly loose definition...

It's a plus and a feature, but apparently you wish to force it onto a group of users who 1. Don't seem to be kicking up much of a fuss about not having it, and 2. Probably tried it on another console and found it wasn't for them. I've given arguments on how it can affect games negatively, and therefore make it more of a 'minus' than a 'plus'. You chose to igore those points, and go straight to accusing me of not liking games if I didn't like trophies. If you wanted to avoid all of this, maybe you should have taken those points into consideration, instead of digging yourself deeper and needing to backpedal out of it...

Have you ever herd about the donkey and the carrot? The only difference is youre giving youreself a carrot to chase and by the looks of it, you will continue to do so forever.

If you feel the burden of it being forced on you then go and complain to sony about it, theres nothing I can do to help you.

My brother doesnt like trophies either, he just hides the notifications and never looks at the trophy list, its really that simple to ignore it if you dont like it.

oh and did I mention, he plays games just like me!...except I play them more to collect the trophies, easter eggs, secret endings and whatever else may be included with a game...if you dont like doing that, then no-one is forcing you to carry on playing past a certain point, its up to you whether you want to or not.

If I find it fun and challenging to do so, I do it, sometimes I dont, because its not compulsory to get every single trophy, no-ones gonna shoot you if you dont do it.

First I thought there maybe something I could say to end this, but theres no way im accepting that trophies negatively impact games because of the ridiculous reasons you gave before.

I will keep stating the truth that its an add-on bolted to games after its development is complete.



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BMaker11 on 16 January 2014

Never "switched". At one point, I always had at least two. First console was a Sega Genesis and then I got a SNES. Got a PS1 in '97 and an N64 in '99. Got the Dreamcast for $50 when it was disontinued and got a PS2 for Christmas 2002 (wanted it because of how much I enjoyed my PS1). Then got a PS3 (because of how much I enjoyed my PS2) in 2007 and an X360 in 2008. Got a PSP and I now have a 3DS (different gens, I know, but I look at the 3DS as a DS with 3D..no further upgrades). I'm looking to get a PS4 and I'm sure at some point in the gen, I'll have an XBone



fordy on 16 January 2014
fps_d0minat0r said:
fordy said:
fps_d0minat0r said:


Show me where I said that trophies were better than games themselves.

I couldnt say that even if I wanted to because its impossible as they are not mutually exclusive as mentioned previously....to get trophies, I need to play games...so at the very least, I would be doing what you enjoy (playing the games), I would just be going 1 step further with trophies.

I have already shown you where I said it was a 'plus' and a 'feature'


Backpedalling more, I see..

Even if I showed you a post that you found games to be a redundant chore to trophies, or that your views were similar to mine, the INITIAL ARGUMENT STILL REMAINS UNCHANGED. How does liking trophies any level more/less than games change the fact that you took a picture way too seriously? How does it change that you attempted some kind of "team mentality" defense by wanting to push them onto Nintendo owners (which is completely off, since Nintendo wasn't mentioned anywhere, but then again, you seem to try to drag any old random thing to constitue into your arguments)? 

As I've already mentioned that several posts before when you accused me of "not liking games", I'll assume that you're not reading replies fully. Either that, or you've hit your limit of what previous posts you can remember, we've already established that that was a problem for you two posts ago...

Trust me, some "games" that contain trophies are an incredibly loose definition...

It's a plus and a feature, but apparently you wish to force it onto a group of users who 1. Don't seem to be kicking up much of a fuss about not having it, and 2. Probably tried it on another console and found it wasn't for them. I've given arguments on how it can affect games negatively, and therefore make it more of a 'minus' than a 'plus'. You chose to igore those points, and go straight to accusing me of not liking games if I didn't like trophies. If you wanted to avoid all of this, maybe you should have taken those points into consideration, instead of digging yourself deeper and needing to backpedal out of it...

Have you ever herd about the donkey and the carrot? The only difference is youre giving youreself a carrot to chase and by the looks of it, you will continue to do so forever.

If you feel the burden of it being forced on you then go and complain to sony about it, theres nothing I can do to help you.

My brother doesnt like trophies either, he just hides the notifications and never looks at the trophy list, its really that simple to ignore it if you dont like it.

oh and did I mention, he plays games just like me!...except I play them more to collect the trophies, easter eggs, secret endings and whatever else may be included with a game...if you dont like doing that, then no-one is forcing you to carry on playing past a certain point, its up to you whether you want to or not.

If I find it fun and challenging to do so, I do it, sometimes I dont, because its not compulsory to get every single trophy, no-ones gonna shoot you if you dont do it.

First I thought there maybe something I could say to end this, but theres no way im accepting that trophies negatively impact games because of the ridiculous reasons you gave before.

I will keep stating the truth that its an add-on bolted to games after its development is complete.

 

You're at it again, transposing arguments and forgetting which side is the one with the problem. Let me fetch this, since it's obvious that you've forgotten it already:

fps_d0minat0r said:

If only Nintendo gamers had the joy of collecting trophies for all of their games....which I just found out they dont.

Ca you tell me how this becomes a problem to me that I should talk to Sony about? It is you, after all, that seems to have the problem with Nintendo NOT having them...as I stated in a previous argument, there are most likely valid explanations for that, if the consumers aren't talking much about missing it...

Congratulations, you solved the aesthetics problem, now on to the other several that you decided to ignore. Keep at it, we could actually be on to something sometime in the next month...

Do I like easter eggs and hidden endings? Sure. Would I prefer to find them myself, instead of it being hinted? Absolutely! Perhaps I just find it a lot more rewarding that I found it without any help, rather than needing a silly little trophy to hint me how to get it. Is the insecurity that great that you NEED something to show to your friends that you actually accomplished some particular thing in a game?

Your arguments are missing the broader aspects: There were two types of games that I'd consider detrimental in the last gen. Wii had shovelware motion games, and the other two consoles had, as it's been called "trophy fodder" games. Oh, you want to bring those over to the platform that I play on? Get lost! The last thing that we need is ANOTHER reason to introduce poor, often rushed games to the shelves that people will buy up in the pursuit of "trophy hunting". It gives publishers the wrong impression of what the market wants.

What you perceive to be the truth and what happens in the real world are in fact two different things. You willing it to be so does not make it happen...



fps_d0minat0r on 16 January 2014
fordy said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
fordy said:
fps_d0minat0r said:


Show me where I said that trophies were better than games themselves.

I couldnt say that even if I wanted to because its impossible as they are not mutually exclusive as mentioned previously....to get trophies, I need to play games...so at the very least, I would be doing what you enjoy (playing the games), I would just be going 1 step further with trophies.

I have already shown you where I said it was a 'plus' and a 'feature'


Backpedalling more, I see..

Even if I showed you a post that you found games to be a redundant chore to trophies, or that your views were similar to mine, the INITIAL ARGUMENT STILL REMAINS UNCHANGED. How does liking trophies any level more/less than games change the fact that you took a picture way too seriously? How does it change that you attempted some kind of "team mentality" defense by wanting to push them onto Nintendo owners (which is completely off, since Nintendo wasn't mentioned anywhere, but then again, you seem to try to drag any old random thing to constitue into your arguments)? 

As I've already mentioned that several posts before when you accused me of "not liking games", I'll assume that you're not reading replies fully. Either that, or you've hit your limit of what previous posts you can remember, we've already established that that was a problem for you two posts ago...

Trust me, some "games" that contain trophies are an incredibly loose definition...

It's a plus and a feature, but apparently you wish to force it onto a group of users who 1. Don't seem to be kicking up much of a fuss about not having it, and 2. Probably tried it on another console and found it wasn't for them. I've given arguments on how it can affect games negatively, and therefore make it more of a 'minus' than a 'plus'. You chose to igore those points, and go straight to accusing me of not liking games if I didn't like trophies. If you wanted to avoid all of this, maybe you should have taken those points into consideration, instead of digging yourself deeper and needing to backpedal out of it...

Have you ever herd about the donkey and the carrot? The only difference is youre giving youreself a carrot to chase and by the looks of it, you will continue to do so forever.

If you feel the burden of it being forced on you then go and complain to sony about it, theres nothing I can do to help you.

My brother doesnt like trophies either, he just hides the notifications and never looks at the trophy list, its really that simple to ignore it if you dont like it.

oh and did I mention, he plays games just like me!...except I play them more to collect the trophies, easter eggs, secret endings and whatever else may be included with a game...if you dont like doing that, then no-one is forcing you to carry on playing past a certain point, its up to you whether you want to or not.

If I find it fun and challenging to do so, I do it, sometimes I dont, because its not compulsory to get every single trophy, no-ones gonna shoot you if you dont do it.

First I thought there maybe something I could say to end this, but theres no way im accepting that trophies negatively impact games because of the ridiculous reasons you gave before.

I will keep stating the truth that its an add-on bolted to games after its development is complete.

 

You're at it again, transposing arguments and forgetting which side is the one with the problem. Let me fetch this, since it's obvious that you've forgotten it already:

fps_d0minat0r said:

If only Nintendo gamers had the joy of collecting trophies for all of their games....which I just found out they dont.

Ca you tell me how this becomes a problem to me that I should talk to Sony about? It is you, after all, that seems to have the problem with Nintendo NOT having them...as I stated in a previous argument, there are most likely valid explanations for that, if the consumers aren't talking much about missing it...

Congratulations, you solved the aesthetics problem, now on to the other several that you decided to ignore. Keep at it, we could actually be on to something sometime in the next month...

Do I like easter eggs and hidden endings? Sure. Would I prefer to find them myself, instead of it being hinted? Absolutely! Perhaps I just find it a lot more rewarding that I found it without any help, rather than needing a silly little trophy to hint me how to get it. Is the insecurity that great that you NEED something to show to your friends that you actually accomplished some particular thing in a game?

Your arguments are missing the broader aspects: There were two types of games that I'd consider detrimental in the last gen. Wii had shovelware motion games, and the other two consoles had, as it's been called "trophy fodder" games. Oh, you want to bring those over to the platform that I play on? Get lost! The last thing that we need is ANOTHER reason to introduce poor, often rushed games to the shelves that people will buy up in the pursuit of "trophy hunting". It gives publishers the wrong impression of what the market wants.

What you perceive to be the truth and what happens in the real world are in fact two different things. You willing it to be so does not make it happen...

I dont see your point.

Its a fact that they dont have the joy to collect trophies, its impossible unless they switch consoles. my quote is factually accurate.

Its a shame you wrote another pointless comment based on another 'carrot'

And youre never going to accept that games are not created with trophies in mind are you? What about all the bad games that came out before trophies were introduced to PS3?

And once again, you bring up looking at the trophy list when I already told you that you dont have to view it. - lets see if you can repeat this 100 more times.



fordy on 16 January 2014
fps_d0minat0r said:
fordy said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
fordy said:
fps_d0minat0r said:


Show me where I said that trophies were better than games themselves.

I couldnt say that even if I wanted to because its impossible as they are not mutually exclusive as mentioned previously....to get trophies, I need to play games...so at the very least, I would be doing what you enjoy (playing the games), I would just be going 1 step further with trophies.

I have already shown you where I said it was a 'plus' and a 'feature'


Backpedalling more, I see..

Even if I showed you a post that you found games to be a redundant chore to trophies, or that your views were similar to mine, the INITIAL ARGUMENT STILL REMAINS UNCHANGED. How does liking trophies any level more/less than games change the fact that you took a picture way too seriously? How does it change that you attempted some kind of "team mentality" defense by wanting to push them onto Nintendo owners (which is completely off, since Nintendo wasn't mentioned anywhere, but then again, you seem to try to drag any old random thing to constitue into your arguments)? 

As I've already mentioned that several posts before when you accused me of "not liking games", I'll assume that you're not reading replies fully. Either that, or you've hit your limit of what previous posts you can remember, we've already established that that was a problem for you two posts ago...

Trust me, some "games" that contain trophies are an incredibly loose definition...

It's a plus and a feature, but apparently you wish to force it onto a group of users who 1. Don't seem to be kicking up much of a fuss about not having it, and 2. Probably tried it on another console and found it wasn't for them. I've given arguments on how it can affect games negatively, and therefore make it more of a 'minus' than a 'plus'. You chose to igore those points, and go straight to accusing me of not liking games if I didn't like trophies. If you wanted to avoid all of this, maybe you should have taken those points into consideration, instead of digging yourself deeper and needing to backpedal out of it...

Have you ever herd about the donkey and the carrot? The only difference is youre giving youreself a carrot to chase and by the looks of it, you will continue to do so forever.

If you feel the burden of it being forced on you then go and complain to sony about it, theres nothing I can do to help you.

My brother doesnt like trophies either, he just hides the notifications and never looks at the trophy list, its really that simple to ignore it if you dont like it.

oh and did I mention, he plays games just like me!...except I play them more to collect the trophies, easter eggs, secret endings and whatever else may be included with a game...if you dont like doing that, then no-one is forcing you to carry on playing past a certain point, its up to you whether you want to or not.

If I find it fun and challenging to do so, I do it, sometimes I dont, because its not compulsory to get every single trophy, no-ones gonna shoot you if you dont do it.

First I thought there maybe something I could say to end this, but theres no way im accepting that trophies negatively impact games because of the ridiculous reasons you gave before.

I will keep stating the truth that its an add-on bolted to games after its development is complete.

 

You're at it again, transposing arguments and forgetting which side is the one with the problem. Let me fetch this, since it's obvious that you've forgotten it already:

fps_d0minat0r said:

If only Nintendo gamers had the joy of collecting trophies for all of their games....which I just found out they dont.

Ca you tell me how this becomes a problem to me that I should talk to Sony about? It is you, after all, that seems to have the problem with Nintendo NOT having them...as I stated in a previous argument, there are most likely valid explanations for that, if the consumers aren't talking much about missing it...

Congratulations, you solved the aesthetics problem, now on to the other several that you decided to ignore. Keep at it, we could actually be on to something sometime in the next month...

Do I like easter eggs and hidden endings? Sure. Would I prefer to find them myself, instead of it being hinted? Absolutely! Perhaps I just find it a lot more rewarding that I found it without any help, rather than needing a silly little trophy to hint me how to get it. Is the insecurity that great that you NEED something to show to your friends that you actually accomplished some particular thing in a game?

Your arguments are missing the broader aspects: There were two types of games that I'd consider detrimental in the last gen. Wii had shovelware motion games, and the other two consoles had, as it's been called "trophy fodder" games. Oh, you want to bring those over to the platform that I play on? Get lost! The last thing that we need is ANOTHER reason to introduce poor, often rushed games to the shelves that people will buy up in the pursuit of "trophy hunting". It gives publishers the wrong impression of what the market wants.

What you perceive to be the truth and what happens in the real world are in fact two different things. You willing it to be so does not make it happen...

I dont see your point.

Its a fact that they dont have the joy to collect trophies, its impossible unless they switch consoles. my quote is factually accurate.

Its a shame you wrote another pointless comment based on another 'carrot'

And youre never going to accept that games are not created with trophies in mind are you? What about all the bad games that came out before trophies were introduced to PS3?

And once again, you bring up looking at the trophy list when I already told you that you dont have to view it. - lets see if you can repeat this 100 more times.


The problem was how it was contextually used. I can see that you like bringing random, off-topic bullshit into arguments, so I'm going to safely assume that you putting that in after the pic was just another case of that... Once again, I know what your intentions were with it..

You mentioned that you wished there was something you could have said to end this, how about not saying something to have started it in the first place, and taken the pic in good humor, instead of ths seething rage? That's why you're still finding yourself being ridiculed.

I never said that games were created with trophies in mind, but do understand that a certain category of games are only valued for their trophies and nothing else. What about the bad games before trophies? They're dead, as they should be. That's the distinction you're missing...How many more times do you wish for it to be explained?

I brought up the trophy list for YOUR convoluted reasoning on finding secrets. If you want a ist of trophies to hint you game secrets, fine. I'm just saying that some of us prefer finding secrets on our own; a lot more rewarding.....you can end the cyclic reasoning now, because I can tell you're going to say "well don't look at the list". Your direction is easier to read than a children's book, and I'm afraid that you've missed the point of that completely. Perhaps I shouldn't be making too many points at once for you to comprehend, it's obvious that you're getting confused....



fps_d0minat0r on 16 January 2014
fordy said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
fordy said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
fordy said:
fps_d0minat0r said:


Show me where I said that trophies were better than games themselves.

I couldnt say that even if I wanted to because its impossible as they are not mutually exclusive as mentioned previously....to get trophies, I need to play games...so at the very least, I would be doing what you enjoy (playing the games), I would just be going 1 step further with trophies.

I have already shown you where I said it was a 'plus' and a 'feature'


Backpedalling more, I see..

Even if I showed you a post that you found games to be a redundant chore to trophies, or that your views were similar to mine, the INITIAL ARGUMENT STILL REMAINS UNCHANGED. How does liking trophies any level more/less than games change the fact that you took a picture way too seriously? How does it change that you attempted some kind of "team mentality" defense by wanting to push them onto Nintendo owners (which is completely off, since Nintendo wasn't mentioned anywhere, but then again, you seem to try to drag any old random thing to constitue into your arguments)? 

As I've already mentioned that several posts before when you accused me of "not liking games", I'll assume that you're not reading replies fully. Either that, or you've hit your limit of what previous posts you can remember, we've already established that that was a problem for you two posts ago...

Trust me, some "games" that contain trophies are an incredibly loose definition...

It's a plus and a feature, but apparently you wish to force it onto a group of users who 1. Don't seem to be kicking up much of a fuss about not having it, and 2. Probably tried it on another console and found it wasn't for them. I've given arguments on how it can affect games negatively, and therefore make it more of a 'minus' than a 'plus'. You chose to igore those points, and go straight to accusing me of not liking games if I didn't like trophies. If you wanted to avoid all of this, maybe you should have taken those points into consideration, instead of digging yourself deeper and needing to backpedal out of it...

Have you ever herd about the donkey and the carrot? The only difference is youre giving youreself a carrot to chase and by the looks of it, you will continue to do so forever.

If you feel the burden of it being forced on you then go and complain to sony about it, theres nothing I can do to help you.

My brother doesnt like trophies either, he just hides the notifications and never looks at the trophy list, its really that simple to ignore it if you dont like it.

oh and did I mention, he plays games just like me!...except I play them more to collect the trophies, easter eggs, secret endings and whatever else may be included with a game...if you dont like doing that, then no-one is forcing you to carry on playing past a certain point, its up to you whether you want to or not.

If I find it fun and challenging to do so, I do it, sometimes I dont, because its not compulsory to get every single trophy, no-ones gonna shoot you if you dont do it.

First I thought there maybe something I could say to end this, but theres no way im accepting that trophies negatively impact games because of the ridiculous reasons you gave before.

I will keep stating the truth that its an add-on bolted to games after its development is complete.

 

You're at it again, transposing arguments and forgetting which side is the one with the problem. Let me fetch this, since it's obvious that you've forgotten it already:

fps_d0minat0r said:

If only Nintendo gamers had the joy of collecting trophies for all of their games....which I just found out they dont.

Ca you tell me how this becomes a problem to me that I should talk to Sony about? It is you, after all, that seems to have the problem with Nintendo NOT having them...as I stated in a previous argument, there are most likely valid explanations for that, if the consumers aren't talking much about missing it...

Congratulations, you solved the aesthetics problem, now on to the other several that you decided to ignore. Keep at it, we could actually be on to something sometime in the next month...

Do I like easter eggs and hidden endings? Sure. Would I prefer to find them myself, instead of it being hinted? Absolutely! Perhaps I just find it a lot more rewarding that I found it without any help, rather than needing a silly little trophy to hint me how to get it. Is the insecurity that great that you NEED something to show to your friends that you actually accomplished some particular thing in a game?

Your arguments are missing the broader aspects: There were two types of games that I'd consider detrimental in the last gen. Wii had shovelware motion games, and the other two consoles had, as it's been called "trophy fodder" games. Oh, you want to bring those over to the platform that I play on? Get lost! The last thing that we need is ANOTHER reason to introduce poor, often rushed games to the shelves that people will buy up in the pursuit of "trophy hunting". It gives publishers the wrong impression of what the market wants.

What you perceive to be the truth and what happens in the real world are in fact two different things. You willing it to be so does not make it happen...

I dont see your point.

Its a fact that they dont have the joy to collect trophies, its impossible unless they switch consoles. my quote is factually accurate.

Its a shame you wrote another pointless comment based on another 'carrot'

And youre never going to accept that games are not created with trophies in mind are you? What about all the bad games that came out before trophies were introduced to PS3?

And once again, you bring up looking at the trophy list when I already told you that you dont have to view it. - lets see if you can repeat this 100 more times.


The problem was how it was contextually used. I can see that you like bringing random, off-topic bullshit into arguments, so I'm going to safely assume that you putting that in after the pic was just another case of that... Once again, I know what your intentions were with it..

You mentioned that you wished there was something you could have said to end this, how about not saying something to have started it in the first place, and taken the pic in good humor, instead of ths seething rage? That's why you're still finding yourself being ridiculed.

I never said that games were created with trophies in mind, but do understand that a certain category of games are only valued for their trophies and nothing else. What about the bad games before trophies? They're dead, as they should be. That's the distinction you're missing...How many more times do you wish for it to be explained?

I brought up the trophy list for YOUR convoluted reasoning on finding secrets. If you want a ist of trophies to hint you game secrets, fine. I'm just saying that some of us prefer finding secrets on our own; a lot more rewarding.....you can end the cyclic reasoning now, because I can tell you're going to say "well don't look at the list". Your direction is easier to read than a children's book, and I'm afraid that you've missed the point of that completely. Perhaps I shouldn't be making too many points at once for you to comprehend, it's obvious that you're getting confused....

Once again you find it too hard to accept that those who want to look have the option, those who dont want to look are not forced to look. The option is the 'plus'.

You claim you are making too many points, but you are not making any, just confusing yourself, tell me if you agree that what I wrote in the previous sentence is a fact or not then we can settle that.

"I never said that games were created with trophies in mind, but do understand that a certain category of games are only valued for their trophies and nothing else. What about the bad games before trophies? They're dead, as they should be."

I agree with that, but if some people want to collect the trophies anyway, your opinion doesnt matter to them, and its certainly not a reason to generalise the trophy hunters, or post that stupid pic (which btw if I report, you would be banned in an instant, but I wont because im not yet in 'seething rage' mode)

and that reminds me...I love your descriptive writing and imagination., tbh thats the only thing keeping me interested in this conversation. I Hope it gets better.