Dude, you know this continuing debate of yours is getting extremely annoying? In every thread that somehow mentions the words 'console', 'handheld' and 'sales' this is the only thing you have to say.

Handhelds play games, ergo that can be compared to home-consoles if someone wants to. They can also be compared as a seperate group if one wants to.

The end.

On topic, yes it's sadly still quite mediocre. I think there are signs that at least the system is gaining some momentum though, especially the Japan numbers which just can't be all due to the holiday increase.

It is for me as a European so funny when Americans what say about Europe^^.

No when you put Uk Numbers out you can see why.It is Playstation. Xbox will not sell good in Europe maybe WiiU numbers without UK.  Only Uk make the Xbox brand relevant in Europe.

The next big think EUROPE IS PLAYSTATION TERRITORY . It was always and will be always.

Europe only play Playsi and in Germany you have the PC in a better position.

When you go to a germany Forum and say WOW the NEXT GEN Graphic is great you will have a Shitstorm they have a lot HIGH END PC and laughing about this

And Nintendo is not a big Console Maker. I believe you forget this.They are great handheld Maker but not Consoles. They will not sell 100 Million Wii U maybe 50 40 ore 30 million( but i believe 40-50).  America is the important Market for Nintendo. Not Europe.

And like another guys here so a big deal when you have all the same numbers. I find the numbers great for all Consoles.

I am from South America and the lack of FIFA 14 is hurting the console here. I know a lot of people who have a FUTBOLStation 3, they only buy FIFA and/or PES every year and some ocasional game, so they can't even consider to buy a Wii U unless one of those games (or both) are available on the console.

A) Wii U has more quality games available for it right now than Xbone or PS4.

B) The Gamepad doesn't need to be optional. Most people who make a big gripe about it, havne't even touched the thing, let alone sat and played a game with it for awhile. Most people I've talked to that have actually bothered to sit and use it, really like it. Not surprising at all that haters base hate on lack of info, eh?

C) Those sales are actually pretty solid. In fact if Wii U could maintain that through December, it'll have over 5 million in total units sold, which was the bare minimum I originally said it would reach by the end of 2013 anyway. It's almost at 5 mil as it is, and the fact of the matter is, Wii U is still the Next Gen market leader until something else passes it up. And given that Mario Kart and Smash Bros. are on the way, let's just say I like it's odds.

I honestly don't know what some people expect from the wii u. At a time when many people thought it would be trampled by the new consoles it is doing better than ever for the year. Yet it seems like they expected even more.

And yes I agree with you. America is very important to the wii u and the xbox. As for the wii u, the UK and the rest of Europe seems a lost cause.

I hope the wii u will at least sell about 30m or a little more. This would be a great result for a console that is tracking the path of the doomed Dreamcast.

Hopefully that will keep Nintendo in the race and allow them to release a console next gen around the same time as the others. 2014 will reveal a lot about where the wii u is going, and to a degree the other next gen consoles.

A) Yes it does. (IMO because that's subjective) That doesn't mean it has a great line-up, just a better one. The only games Wii U has that I'd consider "big" (sales wise) would be the 2 Mario games and a Zelda remake. They alone don't make a $300 system seem like a good deal. 

B) I haven't tried the Wii U or even seen one in person yet. With that said, an expensive controller like the Gamepad would probably work better as an add on reguardless of how amazing it is. It would make the system price go down and you'd still have the option to buy one later on. It's a win win for everybody. Not trying to rip on the Gamepad (I'm sure it is cool) but no doubt it's lowering the systems potential audience.

C) I agree. The sales are rather solid but only considering the lack of big releases so far. Wii U will likely have a good turn around next year but I'm not expecting lightning in a bottle either.

I understand your point, but iphone is not a game device. It plays games, sure... anyway.

I will continue to do so every time I see some kid try an compare the two. They've never competed for sales and have never been in the same market (even the website we are having this argument on, seperates them via bar graphs lol) and to do so is ignorant beyond comprehension. If handhelds and consoles are the same market, then motorcycles and cars are in the same market.

Hint? They're not.

They are both vehicles for personal transportation are they not?