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curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Its the same damn game. Nintendos the only company forcing them to up-port and down-port. Why cant Nintendo just let them port a game smoothly? The profits must match the investment of the game itself. 

They didn't have to down-port or up-port to bring Black Ops 2 and Ghosts to Wii U. And since Ghosts was made, clearly Black Ops 2 turned a profit on Wii U.


There is NO excuse. Now I am seeing why they might have cut DLC. If the game doesn't meet the specific amount the expected percentage of people who buy DLC are half or less so on the Wii U there technically is no point. You guys have helped me understand the dilema entirely.

So now both your points about porting and profits were shot down, you're arguing that because Wii U owners don't buy gimped games, they don't care about the genre?


None of my points were shot down. I said its unuderstandable why there is no DLC and the more you push their "treachery" the easier it is for me to see why they do nothing. It makes perfect sense why they don't give Nintendo any priority. Thats all you've really done.



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curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:

What sales? Both Cods on WII u flopped. COD did worst and worst as the years went on. Conduit 1 didnt sell as much as it should have and 2 was a straight up flop. GE is the only game released that actual did good. Hell we can go back on GC and you'll see that most 3rd party mulipats FPSs did worst on GC, and im talking compared to Xbox not PS2

You're just proven some peoples point of not even bothering, if you were not going to buy the DLC and from a stats stand point most people DONT why would that stop you from buying the game? It makes no sense. People are mad they dont have the option to buy something that they werent going to buy in the first place? a company should just waste time and resources to make them feel better? With that attitude some wonder why there arent alot of games on the system. Not to mention its the cheapest version but funny how people forget that (at least in the US)

YOu dont know nothing cause you've havent seen it, last time i checked people were innocent before proven guitly. You have NO evidence whatsoever. Its sounds like instead of just admiting what everyone knew for years that games like that simply dont do that well on Ninty platforms compared to the ohter systems, you rather just make up stuff that isnt even true. What was AC 4 excuse for flopping on WIi U again?

- COD3, World at War, Modern Warfare, Black  Ops, Goldeneye 007, all million plus selling FPS games on Wii. You don't cross a million where there is no audience.

- Nintendo gamers are pissed about being offered what they percieve as a sub par product. 

- AC4 was a shitty unoptimised 360 port. Splinter Cell Blacklist was a shitty unoptimised 360 port. Batman Arkham Origins was a shitty unoptimised 360 port. COD Ghosts. COD BO2. AC3. Take a wild guess what Watch Dogs will be.

they USED to cross a million, you keep avoiding the fact that they went down with each installment. Why?

Even if this is true that means they must have bought it elsewhere which means the audience is elsewhere. 

Did you play AC4? I dont think you did, it was patched up. I think you didnt play it and just making excuses for it flopping

- MIssing COD4 in 2007 began the decline, and this was exacerbated by MW1 arriving 2 years late in 2009 in place of MW2, a drop in interest in the Wii in 2011 when software support all but ceased, and the smaller install base and expectations of fair treatment not being met on Wii U.

- Or they could just have skipped it altogether.

- Digital Foundry's analysis found that AC4 had a shitty framerate on Wii U and like almost all Wii U ports did not tke advantage of the extra RAM for better textures and such.

Or maybe COD 3 sucked so bad that people figured ill just buy the non crap versions for the other system. Funny thing is DS GOT MW1 and that declinded as well whats that excuse. 

Considering COD sales actually INCREASED on HDs until recently and PS4/Xbone had a much better sales than both Wii U versions combined despite being new consoles. LOL i doubt they skipped it, and even if they did, that just reinforces the idea of not have an istall base for said games.

AC4 was patched up, you would know that if you played the game. and even then so what? Its not like its inferior to the other versions sans PS4/1. Just admit that their isnt an audience for the game, I seriously doubt people were holding out because its not significantly better than PS360 versions. So Wii U gamers are so snobbish they wouldnt buy it if its on par? And you wonder why it gets crap support.



S.T.A.G.E. said:

None of my points were shot down. I said its unuderstandable why there is no DLC and the more you push their "treachery" the easier it is for me to see why they do nothing. It makes perfect sense why they don't give Nintendo any priority. Thats all you've really done.

You complained and about up/down porting and profit, I showed why neither are an issue.



oniyide said:

Or maybe COD 3 sucked so bad that people figured ill just buy the non crap versions for the other system. Funny thing is DS GOT MW1 and that declinded as well whats that excuse. 

Considering COD sales actually INCREASED on HDs until recently and PS4/Xbone had a much better sales than both Wii U versions combined despite being new consoles. LOL i doubt they skipped it, and even if they did, that just reinforces the idea of not have an istall base for said games.

AC4 was patched up, you would know that if you played the game. and even then so what? Its not like its inferior to the other versions sans PS4/1. Just admit that their isnt an audience for the game, I seriously doubt people were holding out because its not significantly better than PS360 versions. So Wii U gamers are so snobbish they wouldnt buy it if its on par? And you wonder why it gets crap support.

DS is simple, people don't wanna play COD on a screen the size of a matchbox, and it was a totally different game, haha.

That is correct, there is no install base for gimped, sub-par ports on Wii U. The install base is sick of them.

We're not taking about on par, we're talking about late (a month late everywhere but NA) and technically subpar. It's good that it got patched, (what's the framerate like now, btw?) but the damage was done. And with a console install base of 4 million...



It's no lost for me if they did. Advantages of a multi-platform gamer :)



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Mnementh said:
oniyide said:
Mnementh said:
oniyide said:
 

the seeds have already begun to be planted. Outside of Watchdogs i cant think of any next gen multiplat game thats coming to WIi U and even Watchdogs is cross gen

What next gen multiplat games exist so far? All I know are cross-gen games like FIFA or COD.


FF15, KH3, SW Battlefront, Mirror's Edge 2, Fallout MMO, just of the top of my head. you good?

Thanks. All of this seems far away, am I right. Some games get later announcements of a WiiU-version or of features. People claimed that WiiU would NEVER get Watchdogs, no way that could happen. Now it comes. First rumors about Splinter Cell for WiiU were dismissed, because the kiddy-console never would get this games. Looking at your list - Fallout MMO seems really unlikely. FF15 too, Square Enix seems picky with mainline FF on Nintendo-console. Mirror's Edge is EA, that surely will skip WiiU. KH3 on the other hand - let's wait and see. Anyways, nothing of this will probably release in 2013.

I think the people who were saying Watchdogs wouldnt come out on WIi U is minimal at best, since we knew of a PS360 version was no reason not to believe a Wii U one. SC games have been on Ninty platforms since the series inception so i doubt the rumors were based on some Kiddy conspiracy. So you basically agree with me for the most part. I wouldnt hold my breath for KH3 im sure it running on the same or an engine close to the one powering FF15, therefore no Wii U version. Theres also TR thats getting a next gen port no Wii U version. And thats really worrisome, there not even getting most of the crossgen stuff, i can only think of Spidey2 and Watchdogs. hell they are missing some straight regular PS360 muliplats. South Park comes to mind.



curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

None of my points were shot down. I said its unuderstandable why there is no DLC and the more you push their "treachery" the easier it is for me to see why they do nothing. It makes perfect sense why they don't give Nintendo any priority. Thats all you've really done.

You complained and about up/down porting and profit, I showed why neither are an issue.

No, read my response more clearly. I was responding to someone else who was talking about up and down porting.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

None of my points were shot down. I said its unuderstandable why there is no DLC and the more you push their "treachery" the easier it is for me to see why they do nothing. It makes perfect sense why they don't give Nintendo any priority. Thats all you've really done.

You complained and about up/down porting and profit, I showed why neither are an issue.

No, read my response more clearly. I was responding to someone else who was talking about up and down porting.

... so I'm not allowed to respond to your posts unless they're responding to mine?



curl-6 said:
oniyide said:

Or maybe COD 3 sucked so bad that people figured ill just buy the non crap versions for the other system. Funny thing is DS GOT MW1 and that declinded as well whats that excuse. 

Considering COD sales actually INCREASED on HDs until recently and PS4/Xbone had a much better sales than both Wii U versions combined despite being new consoles. LOL i doubt they skipped it, and even if they did, that just reinforces the idea of not have an istall base for said games.

AC4 was patched up, you would know that if you played the game. and even then so what? Its not like its inferior to the other versions sans PS4/1. Just admit that their isnt an audience for the game, I seriously doubt people were holding out because its not significantly better than PS360 versions. So Wii U gamers are so snobbish they wouldnt buy it if its on par? And you wonder why it gets crap support.

DS is simple, people don't wanna play COD on a screen the size of a matchbox, and it was a totally different game, haha.

That is correct, there is no install base for gimped, sub-par ports on Wii U. The install base is sick of them.

We're not taking about on par, we're talking about late (a month late everywhere but NA) and technically subpar. It's good that it got patched, (what's the framerate like now, btw?) but the damage was done. And with a console install base of 4 million...

a million had no problem playing the game when it first released. So like you said yourself there was a install base with those kinds of numbers, so your people didnt want to play it theory is flat out false. Why did sales drop?

So how much of these imaginary people exist? Matter of fact you might be right, they moved on to the other systems and in the case of WIi U it wasnt selling that great anyway, so they seemed to skip that and jump into PS4/xone camp.

Was it really a month late? I thought it was a week, so let me ask, if a Wii U owner and im assuming this person ONLY has a WIi U, why not wait? its not like they could get it for systems they dont own. Hell ME2 was a year late on PS3 and still managed to do more than a mil being released at FULL price. I heard the framerate it on par. But with a console base of 4 mil after a year, one has to wonder why even bother.



oh and its not because they are expanding the market, nothing is being expanded when it accounts for less than 1% of overall sales.