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S.T.A.G.E. on 17 December 2013
J_Allard said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
J_Allard said:

Why not? Spending money worked wonders for Sony in the 5th and 6th generations, and MS in the 6th and 7th generation.


Sony spent money on GTA to be a timed exclusive. Eventually it went to Microsoft. Microsoft spent the first three years of the seventh gen keeping legions of games away from Sony. It was so bad it made Sony look like they had no games. When I had a 360 we used to make fun of my friends who had PS3's without games. Of course in 2006 I didn't know about moneyhatting at the time and I wasn't into marketing at the tiime. Sony didn't need to spend a dime to keep games away from Nintendo. Look up the history of Sony. Sony had advantages in the 5th generation because of format gave third parties more space to use and they had better third party relatioships. Not only that, third parties can take risk on being exclusively on  your cut of the markshare because you command the mass majority of the people. This is the same reason Nintendo doesnt need to pay every third party for being exclusive on the DS. Sega botched the launch of the Sega Saturn and turned third parties off making them jump ship to Sony during the fifth generation. By the time the sixth generation happened Sony had amassed so many partnerships all they had to do was lay back. Microsoft is no different. Microsoft made moneyhatting a huge thing during the seventh generation and Sony knew they couldn't fight back against that. The only major moneyhat Sony is known for against Microsoft was paying Rockstar fifty million dollars to keep the GTA away from Microsoft until the trilogy was finished. Even I said that was fucked up but what Microsoft did soon after was horrible.

That's a nice long post (exceot the part about your friends being idiots) but doesn't really change or disprove anything I said. Sony broke into the industry thanks to outspending Nintendo, be it with less royalty fees for 3rd parties, securing exclusive content, or by losing tons of cash on hardware. They continued all of these tactics into the PS2 era. In that same generation MS invested tons of money into Live and also ate losses on hardware. And in this last gen they again invested tons into XBL, ate losses on hardware, and even stole a page from Sony's playbook and paid for exclusive content. Of course, Sony lost tons of money on hardware last gen too, so they are very much still in the business of spending money to make money.

Difference is while you will try to explain away and make every excuse you can to make Sony engaging in these acts not only acceptable but at times downright inspiring while at the same time trying to portray MS doing it as just 'murican greed, I accept that they both do it and don't really give a crap.


I never said my friends were idiots. You're truly and underhanded individual. If this is the level you need to stoop to then truly you are sad. They are not here to defend themselves against the likes of you so how dare you judge people you don't even know.



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adriane23 on 17 December 2013

It still holds onto the marketing advantage thanks to all that MS money behind it. Every other advantage is either lost, irrelevant, or potentially detrimental (Kinect 2.0).



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sales2099 on 17 December 2013
Aerys said:
sales2099 said:
Ironically, X1 has better games now and on the horizon.....

But they didn't get a year head start, multiplats aren't on their side, and they are more expensive.

The opposite was the trifecta that kept Sony in their place for years. So yes, they did loose their lead.


It seems you are unaware of PS4 games coming on the horizon because it's the total opposite, XB1 has nothing to compete with all the games coming on PS4

"nothing"

Now aren't you silly. Now I am not sure about quantity or how the metas will pan out, but I do know that Titanfall and Halo 5 will be the big exclusive blockbusters that frankly PS4 doesn't have anything exclusive that can compete. Yes I know Titanfall isn't technically exclusive, but its on X1 and not PS4



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Aura7541 on 17 December 2013
sales2099 said:
Aerys said:
sales2099 said:
Ironically, X1 has better games now and on the horizon.....

But they didn't get a year head start, multiplats aren't on their side, and they are more expensive.

The opposite was the trifecta that kept Sony in their place for years. So yes, they did loose their lead.


It seems you are unaware of PS4 games coming on the horizon because it's the total opposite, XB1 has nothing to compete with all the games coming on PS4

"nothing"

Now aren't you silly. Now I am not sure about quantity or how the metas will pan out, but I do know that Titanfall and Halo 5 will be the big exclusive blockbusters that frankly PS4 doesn't have anything exclusive that can compete. Yes I know Titanfall isn't technically exclusive, but its on X1 and not PS4

Titanfall and Halo 5 are hardly sufficient enough to differentiate a console from its competitor, especially when both games fall in the exact same genre. The PS4, on the other hand, has a much, much more diverse lineup. The PS4's exclusives covers genres such as racing (Driveclub), TPS (Uncharted, The Order), sandbox (Infamous: SS), and RPG (Guerilla's new IP). The XBone, however, has only one strong flavor while all of its other flavors are considerably weak.



MyCodenameIsIan on 17 December 2013
9087 said:

When you look at the advantages 360 had over PS3 for much of the generation:

Superior Multiplats

Lower Price

Better controller

Faster Installs

Party Chat

 

 

Now this generation with PS4 and Xbox One.... 

PS4 has superior multiplats, equal if not better controller, way faster installs than Xbox One, and a better Party Chat as well. 

Oh, and this time around it's actually cheaper than Xbox, which was never the case with PS3 and 360.

Superior Multiplats -  Graphically games have looked better on the PS4, Microsoft still has the financial clout to secure exclusivity rights for DLC on most major releases though.  Battlefield, COD, Fifa all having exclusivity deals with Microsoft.  Some people have speculated that the X1 is lagging behind on multiplats due to having a resource heavy OS which will hopefully be refined over time.  Advantage PS4.

Lower Price -  After tear downs the PS4 and the Xbox One are both selling at cost (or a small loss).  It comes down to whether Microsoft can make the Kinect a selling point.  The voice recognition is pretty cool, but I'm yet to see a practical use for the camera tracking. Advantage PS4.

Better controller - The PS4 controller is leaps and bounds better then the DS3, I'm still on the fence about the X1 controller and if it is an improvement on the 360.  I'd put them as equal at present. Tie.

Faster Installs - The PS4 has an amazing install time, the X1 is fairly slow but in line with how long it takes on the PC.  I don't see this as a selling point.  Advantage PS4.

Party Chat - The PS4 has finally adopted cross game party chat but the quality is awful in comparison with the X1's audio codec.  That said Microsoft need to get this working as well as it did on the 360 before I give this one to Microsoft. Tie.

Media Integration -  Whilst the PS4 has a fair few on demand video apps, the X1 has a larger array of them as well as the option of HDMI input and a superior editing suite imo.  That said the PS4 has streaming, which isn't due on the X1 until early 2014. Advantage X1.

O/S - The PS4 has improved significantly from the XMB on the PS3.  However it's still pretty bare bones and to the point in comparison to the X1.  The X1 closely resembles it's Windows 8 cousin, others more in-depth features but can be cumbersome to navigate without voice.  Microsoft shown during the previous generation how much they can evolve the O/S over the systems lifetime so I'm going to give this to the X1.  Advantage X1.

Online Infrastructure - Microsoft historically have had a stronger, more reliable service. Sony have had problems with security and had downtime for maintenance on a regular schedule. However in terms of value Sony offer multiple recent titles to play for free, whilst Microsoft have responded by offering 2 games per month but these are usually more historic titles. Whilst I prefer Sony's game offerings I would choose to play on Live given the choice. Advantage X1.

Launch Lineup -  This isn't going to be relevant for long, both consoles got the same multiplats, but Microsoft edged out Sony on exclusives.  Advantage X1.

Future Exclusives - Sony have Infamous and The Order, whilst Microsoft have Quantum Break and Titanfall.  To be fair I think it's pretty even at present but Sony have more first party studios and have shown during the past generation to support a console longer into it's life cycle.  Tie.

After doing a quick comparison I have them as pretty even machines, ofcourse this is just my opinion.




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sales2099 on 17 December 2013
Aura7541 said:
sales2099 said:

"nothing"

Now aren't you silly. Now I am not sure about quantity or how the metas will pan out, but I do know that Titanfall and Halo 5 will be the big exclusive blockbusters that frankly PS4 doesn't have anything exclusive that can compete. Yes I know Titanfall isn't technically exclusive, but its on X1 and not PS4

Titanfall and Halo 5 are hardly sufficient enough to differentiate a console from its competitor, especially when both games fall in the exact same genre. The PS4, on the other hand, has a much, much more diverse lineup. The PS4's exclusives covers genres such as racing (Driveclub), TPS (Uncharted, The Order), sandbox (Infamous: SS), and RPG (Guerilla's new IP). The XBone, however, has only one strong flavor while all of its other flavors are considerably weak.

Diverse.....when its best launch game is a FPS, something COD and BF4 are a better purchase anyway.....versus a solid gameplay F2P fighter, zombie slayer, and Race Sim. Xbox ironically has diversity going for it right now while Sony went with the shooter. 2014 can allow the Xbox to go with what it does best. Quantum Break and Project Spark also come to mind. Theres others sure but I am thinking of the big names.

Looking back to specific years of last gen, only a few games come to mind per year. These were the games that stood out, nobody will remember every single exlcusive of 2014 in 10 years time, just the ones that made the biggest splash in some way.

Just saying at least in terms of big AAA blockbusters that get the heavy marketing and buzz, X1 has Halo 5 and Titanfall. PS4 has Uncharted, if it is confirmed for 2014. The rest will be hits sure, but not blockbusters.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 17 December 2013
MyCodenameIsIan said:

Superior Multiplats -  Graphically games have looked better on the PS4, Microsoft still has the financial clout to secure exclusivity rights for DLC on most major releases though.  Battlefield, COD, Fifa all having exclusivity deals with Microsoft.  Some people have speculated that the X1 is lagging behind on multiplats due to having a resource heavy OS which will hopefully be refined over time.  Advantage PS4.

Lower Price -  After tear downs the PS4 and the Xbox One are both selling at cost (or a small loss).  It comes down to whether Microsoft can make the Kinect a selling point.  The voice recognition is pretty cool, but I'm yet to see a practical use for the camera tracking. Advantage PS4.

Better controller - The PS4 controller is leaps and bounds better then the DS3, I'm still on the fence about the X1 controller and if it is an improvement on the 360.  I'd put them as equal at present. Tie.

Faster Installs - The PS4 has an amazing install time, the X1 is fairly slow but in line with how long it takes on the PC.  I don't see this as a selling point.  Advantage PS4.

Party Chat - The PS4 has finally adopted cross game party chat but the quality is awful in comparison with the X1's audio codec.  That said Microsoft need to get this working as well as it did on the 360 before I give this one to Microsoft. Tie.

Media Integration -  Whilst the PS4 has a fair few on demand video apps, the X1 has a larger array of them as well as the option of HDMI input and a superior editing suite imo.  That said the PS4 has streaming, which isn't due on the X1 until early 2014. Advantage X1.

O/S - The PS4 has improved significantly from the XMB on the PS3.  However it's still pretty bare bones and to the point in comparison to the X1.  The X1 closely resembles it's Windows 8 cousin, others more in-depth features but can be cumbersome to navigate without voice.  Microsoft shown during the previous generation how much they can evolve the O/S over the systems lifetime so I'm going to give this to the X1.  Advantage X1.

Online Infrastructure - Microsoft historically have had a stronger, more reliable service. Sony have had problems with security and had downtime for maintenance on a regular schedule. However in terms of value Sony offer multiple recent titles to play for free, whilst Microsoft have responded by offering 2 games per month but these are usually more historic titles. Whilst I prefer Sony's game offerings I would choose to play on Live given the choice. Advantage X1.

Launch Lineup -  This isn't going to be relevant for long, both consoles got the same multiplats, but Microsoft edged out Sony on exclusives.  Advantage X1.

Future Exclusives - Sony have Infamous and The Order, whilst Microsoft have Quantum Break and Titanfall.  To be fair I think it's pretty even at present but Sony have more first party studios and have shown during the past generation to support a console longer into it's life cycle.  Tie.

After doing a quick comparison I have them as pretty even machines, ofcourse this is just my opinion.

Titanfall 2 is coming to PS4. If you mean a launch advantage then yes Titanfall counts.



Aura7541 on 17 December 2013
sales2099 said:
Aura7541 said:
sales2099 said:
 

"nothing"

Now aren't you silly. Now I am not sure about quantity or how the metas will pan out, but I do know that Titanfall and Halo 5 will be the big exclusive blockbusters that frankly PS4 doesn't have anything exclusive that can compete. Yes I know Titanfall isn't technically exclusive, but its on X1 and not PS4

Titanfall and Halo 5 are hardly sufficient enough to differentiate a console from its competitor, especially when both games fall in the exact same genre. The PS4, on the other hand, has a much, much more diverse lineup. The PS4's exclusives covers genres such as racing (Driveclub), TPS (Uncharted, The Order), sandbox (Infamous: SS), and RPG (Guerilla's new IP). The XBone, however, has only one strong flavor while all of its other flavors are considerably weak.

Diverse.....when its best launch game is a FPS, something COD and BF4 are a better purchase anyway.....versus a solid gameplay F2P fighter, zombie slayer, and Race Sim. Xbox ironically has diversity going for it right now while Sony went with the shooter. 2014 can allow the Xbox to go with what it does best. Quantum Break and Project Spark also come to mind. Theres others sure but I am thinking of the big names.

Looking back to specific years of last gen, only a few games come to mind per year. These were the games that stood out, nobody will remember every single exlcusive of 2014 in 10 years time, just the ones that made the biggest splash in some way.

Just saying at least in terms of big AAA blockbusters that get the heavy marketing and buzz, X1 has Halo 5 and Titanfall. PS4 has Uncharted, if it is confirmed for 2014. The rest will be hits sure, but not blockbusters.

Clearly, launch titles are indicative of the diversity of a console's library /s Yeah.... try harder. You seem to forget that the vast majority of Sony's 1st party studios have not announced their titles yet. It doesn't matter if the games are blockbuster or not. They are still games. The main reason people buy consoles is not because of a few games, but the value their console of choice offers. The XBone's library is not that diverse especially when it is already being thinned out on exclusives. The PS4's library, on the other hand, is set for the next 3 years. In addtion to Sony's 1st parties, the PS4 will most definitely get exclusive support from other developers such as Namco Bandai (Tales series), Level-5 (Ni No Kuni 2?), Quantic Dream, Nippon Ichi (Disgaea series), Gust (Atelier series), and Atlus (Persona series). Within the next 5 years, the PS4 will have plenty of FPS's, TPS's, sandbox, action adventure, JRPG's, SRPG's, thrillers, racers, platformers, and sci-fi's. The XBone cannot compete with that even if it has the best FPS's in the world. A dish that superbly excels in one flavor, but is mediocre on others cannot be considered a good dish. A dish that excels in multiple flavors, though not superbly, will always be the better dish because it's delicious on all aspects.



Dark_Feanor on 17 December 2013
Aura7541 said:
sales2099 said:
Aerys said:
sales2099 said:
Ironically, X1 has better games now and on the horizon.....

But they didn't get a year head start, multiplats aren't on their side, and they are more expensive.

The opposite was the trifecta that kept Sony in their place for years. So yes, they did loose their lead.


It seems you are unaware of PS4 games coming on the horizon because it's the total opposite, XB1 has nothing to compete with all the games coming on PS4

"nothing"

Now aren't you silly. Now I am not sure about quantity or how the metas will pan out, but I do know that Titanfall and Halo 5 will be the big exclusive blockbusters that frankly PS4 doesn't have anything exclusive that can compete. Yes I know Titanfall isn't technically exclusive, but its on X1 and not PS4

Titanfall and Halo 5 are hardly sufficient enough to differentiate a console from its competitor, especially when both games fall in the exact same genre. The PS4, on the other hand, has a much, much more diverse lineup. The PS4's exclusives covers genres such as racing (Driveclub), TPS (Uncharted, The Order), sandbox (Infamous: SS), and RPG (Guerilla's new IP). The XBone, however, has only one strong flavor while all of its other flavors are considerably weak.


Have we a Psyc among us?

You talk about games that are not released or have any substantial information.  

Do you know if The Order and Uncharter will be launched in 2014?

Do you if Guerrilla new IP is realy a RPG? And will be launched before 2015?

But finally you just ignore every other Xone exclusive already launched or anounced, Ryse, DR3, Forza, Black Tusk and Fable...



Dark_Feanor on 17 December 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Titanfall 2 is coming to PS4. If you mean a launch advantage then yes Titanfall counts.


There won´t be a Titanfall 2, nor a Destiny 2. They will be built like Team Fortress 2, or Dota 2...

Games as a service.

Any way, do you think people will wait for 2 or 3 years just to experience a francise that is available in another platform?

May be there is still people waiting for Gears of War on the PS3.