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colafitte on 14 December 2013

So..., like we are considering here TitanFall an exclusive for Xbox One I assume, then I suppose PlanetSide 2, Final Fantasy XIV ARR, War Thunder, BlackLight Retribution,... does count too as exclusives for PS4. And don't forget about DriveClub and Infamous 2... two big games coming in the next months. I think Sony is combining exclusives and 3rd parties very well.

Xbox One have for the first half of 2014, what? TitanFall, Project Spark, Fable Legends,?? I missing something??

I think PS4 doesn't have to worry about exclusive content in the first month..., at least not more than Xbox One.



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J_Allard on 14 December 2013
SandyVGina said:
J_Allard said:
It's not surprising. PS4 sales are higher in the NPD, Killzone is a FPS, and the only other exclusive PS4 owners could pick up is Knack. Look at what Resistance did during the PS3 launch.

I am surprised that Forza outsold DR3 but then again idk the sales history of the DR franchise. Not surprised Ryse sold the least of the 4, new IP and all.

And wow less than 500k for Killzone. I would have thought it would do more.


Killzone is competing with 1080P COD:Ghost and Battlfield 4 on the PS4, doesn't matter that Knack is the only other full game exclusive. Killzone usually release in Feb. months after the COD and Battlefields release. Do not diminish Killzones sales... I bet people bought the PS4 just to play COD in 1080P! I am not a fan of COD but doesn't change the fact that people love COD....

Like my other post said, a strong launch is one of the elements for the lower sales as well. Still, surprising to see it both a critical failure and with sales that aren't impressive, considering its genre and marketing.



XxGame4lifexX on 14 December 2013
Kane1389 said:
XxGame4lifexX said:
theprof00 said:
XxGame4lifexX said:

Like i've said before. Ps4 had less launch exclusives
less games = higher chances of higher sales
more games = higher chances of less sales 
xbox gamers have more to choose from so obviously sales would be lower.

I know you're repeating yourself, but the reason it may not be sinking in is because that's a hard argument to make.

What you're implying, is that the exclusives exist outside the scope of the library. Sure, if the exclusives were the only games available, you'd have a point. More sales would get lumped onto the fewer products. But here we can see that the exclusives aren't in a vacuum, as shown by the much higher sales of the multiplats.

My point is, saying KZ got more sales because there is less competition is very hard to argue. If the game couldn't earn sales on its own merit, people would have bought the much more popular multiplat games, not a different exclusive.

The higher sales of multiplat games on ps4 are obvious seeing how ps4 is selling more than the competition. Multiplatform games dont warrant a purchase of a console. Exclusive games sell consoles. IMO killzone is doing bad seeing how over 2 million ps4's have been sold. Killzone wasen't competing with halo or gears.....that would have been a disaster for killzone in terms of sales. Halo games sell millions in a day. Killzone is nowhere near that. 

No, just with Call of Duty (which is 2 times bigger than Halo) and Battlefield (bigger than Gears)...

lol multiplaform vs exclusive LOL

COD is available like in 5-6 platforms and so is Battlefield 

Halo and gears and only in 1. 

Plus COD is not the same anymore. It doesnt get the sales as the past games. Gamers are realizing its the same crap over and over. 

Halo 4 launched along with black ops 2 and other huge 3rd party games and it still managed to sell over 9 million copies. With over 1 million on day 1. 



Did you know ps4 only supports a 2.4 wireless signal?

The xbox one supports a wireless adapter capable of 2.4 - 5.0ghz.

The ONLY next gen console to do so. 

DJEVOLVE on 14 December 2013

What else did they really have to pick up? Knack...... Essentially this was the only game to buy, accept from 3rd party. Xbox One had a few exclusive AAA titles. Lets not forget the $100 dollars extra everyone seems to complain about, Not sure why, it's always someone hating On x1 anyway.

So the fact that all the games sold as much as they did is a accomplishment. With PS4, you have a extra $100 to spend on what you like.

Lets not forget if Halo launched, it would have whipped the floor. Isn't that Sony's answer to Halo?



Kane1389 on 14 December 2013
XxGame4lifexX said:
Kane1389 said:
XxGame4lifexX said:
theprof00 said:
XxGame4lifexX said:

Like i've said before. Ps4 had less launch exclusives
less games = higher chances of higher sales
more games = higher chances of less sales 
xbox gamers have more to choose from so obviously sales would be lower.

I know you're repeating yourself, but the reason it may not be sinking in is because that's a hard argument to make.

What you're implying, is that the exclusives exist outside the scope of the library. Sure, if the exclusives were the only games available, you'd have a point. More sales would get lumped onto the fewer products. But here we can see that the exclusives aren't in a vacuum, as shown by the much higher sales of the multiplats.

My point is, saying KZ got more sales because there is less competition is very hard to argue. If the game couldn't earn sales on its own merit, people would have bought the much more popular multiplat games, not a different exclusive.

The higher sales of multiplat games on ps4 are obvious seeing how ps4 is selling more than the competition. Multiplatform games dont warrant a purchase of a console. Exclusive games sell consoles. IMO killzone is doing bad seeing how over 2 million ps4's have been sold. Killzone wasen't competing with halo or gears.....that would have been a disaster for killzone in terms of sales. Halo games sell millions in a day. Killzone is nowhere near that. 

No, just with Call of Duty (which is 2 times bigger than Halo) and Battlefield (bigger than Gears)...

lol multiplaform vs exclusive LOL

COD is available like in 5-6 platforms and so is Battlefield 

Halo and gears and only in 1. 

Plus COD is not the same anymore. It doesnt get the sales as the past games. Gamers are realizing its the same crap over and over. 

Halo 4 launched along with black ops 2 and other huge 3rd party games and it still managed to sell over 9 million copies. With over 1 million on day 1. 

So what if its a multiplat? If you buy a PS4, you can only get a PS4 copy of COD and BF. 

if you buy a PS4 and a want a next gen shooter, you can only get PS4 ports on it.  Not Xbone or PS3 versions with it

COD is not as strong as it was a year ago, but its still in top 3 franchises easly and still bigger than Halo

Black Ops 2 outsold Halo 4



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dsage01 on 14 December 2013

Have these numbers for Killzone, Forza, Dead Rising, and Ryse been confirmed from NPD?



XxGame4lifexX on 14 December 2013
Kane1389 said:
XxGame4lifexX said:
Kane1389 said:
XxGame4lifexX said:
theprof00 said:
XxGame4lifexX said:

Like i've said before. Ps4 had less launch exclusives
less games = higher chances of higher sales
more games = higher chances of less sales 
xbox gamers have more to choose from so obviously sales would be lower.

I know you're repeating yourself, but the reason it may not be sinking in is because that's a hard argument to make.

What you're implying, is that the exclusives exist outside the scope of the library. Sure, if the exclusives were the only games available, you'd have a point. More sales would get lumped onto the fewer products. But here we can see that the exclusives aren't in a vacuum, as shown by the much higher sales of the multiplats.

My point is, saying KZ got more sales because there is less competition is very hard to argue. If the game couldn't earn sales on its own merit, people would have bought the much more popular multiplat games, not a different exclusive.

The higher sales of multiplat games on ps4 are obvious seeing how ps4 is selling more than the competition. Multiplatform games dont warrant a purchase of a console. Exclusive games sell consoles. IMO killzone is doing bad seeing how over 2 million ps4's have been sold. Killzone wasen't competing with halo or gears.....that would have been a disaster for killzone in terms of sales. Halo games sell millions in a day. Killzone is nowhere near that. 

No, just with Call of Duty (which is 2 times bigger than Halo) and Battlefield (bigger than Gears)...

lol multiplaform vs exclusive LOL

COD is available like in 5-6 platforms and so is Battlefield 

Halo and gears and only in 1. 

Plus COD is not the same anymore. It doesnt get the sales as the past games. Gamers are realizing its the same crap over and over. 

Halo 4 launched along with black ops 2 and other huge 3rd party games and it still managed to sell over 9 million copies. With over 1 million on day 1. 

So what if its a multiplat? If you buy a PS4, you can only get a PS4 copy of COD and BF. 

if you buy a PS4 and a want a next gen shooter, you can only get PS4 ports on it.  Not Xbone or PS3 versions with it

COD is not as strong as it was a year ago, but its still in top 3 franchises easly and still bigger than Halo

Black Ops 2 outsold Halo 4

You said COD and battlefield are bigger than halo and gears. I was saying they are bigger because they are multiplatform. Halo and gears are not. Its obvious why COD and BF have more sales. 

COD = available on multiple platforms = it reaches a bigger audience = more sales

Halo = 1 platform = lower audience = less sales 

I did not say halo 4 outsold black ops 2. I said it launched along with black ops 2 and it still sold over 1 million copies on day one. It is impressive seeing how big COD is. Killzone is nowhere near as big as halo. That was my point as to why killzone sold good (according to you) and why it outsold xbox one exclusives. 



Did you know ps4 only supports a 2.4 wireless signal?

The xbox one supports a wireless adapter capable of 2.4 - 5.0ghz.

The ONLY next gen console to do so. 

XxGame4lifexX on 14 December 2013
DJEVOLVE said:
What else did they really have to pick up? Knack...... Essentially this was the only game to buy, accept from 3rd party. Xbox One had a few exclusive AAA titles. Lets not forget the $100 dollars extra everyone seems to complain about, Not sure why, it's always someone hating On x1 anyway.

So the fact that all the games sold as much as they did is a accomplishment. With PS4, you have a extra $100 to spend on what you like.

Lets not forget if Halo launched, it would have whipped the floor. Isn't that Sony's answer to Halo?

exactly!

IMO killzone didn't do that well seeing as to how it was a big retail game. It doesn't stand a chance against halo. 

Im not hating on killzone as i played killzone 2. I liked the story but the online was garbage. Guerilla needs a good lesson on how to make a proper online game. Uncharted online was alot better/still is than killzone IMO. 



Did you know ps4 only supports a 2.4 wireless signal?

The xbox one supports a wireless adapter capable of 2.4 - 5.0ghz.

The ONLY next gen console to do so. 

theprof00 on 14 December 2013
XxGame4lifexX said:
Kane1389 said:

So what if its a multiplat? If you buy a PS4, you can only get a PS4 copy of COD and BF. 

if you buy a PS4 and a want a next gen shooter, you can only get PS4 ports on it.  Not Xbone or PS3 versions with it

COD is not as strong as it was a year ago, but its still in top 3 franchises easly and still bigger than Halo

Black Ops 2 outsold Halo 4

You said COD and battlefield are bigger than halo and gears. I was saying they are bigger because they are multiplatform. Halo and gears are not. Its obvious why COD and BF have more sales. 

COD = available on multiple platforms = it reaches a bigger audience = more sales

Halo = 1 platform = lower audience = less sales 

I did not say halo 4 outsold black ops 2. I said it launched along with black ops 2 and it still sold over 1 million copies on day one. It is impressive seeing how big COD is. Killzone is nowhere near as big as halo. That was my point as to why killzone sold good (according to you) and why it outsold xbox one exclusives. 

*rolls eyes* you have not made sense on any comment thuse far.

1 Halo 3 X360 2007 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 7.77 2.74 0.13 1.18 11.82
2 Halo: Reach X360 2010 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 6.75 1.85 0.08 0.75 9.42
3 Halo 4 X360 2012 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 6.04 1.96 0.04 0.64 8.69
4 Halo 2 XB 2004 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 6.82 1.53 0.05 0.08 8.49
5 Halo: Combat Evolved XB 2001 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 4.98 1.30 0.08 0.07 6.43
6 Halo 3: ODST X360 2009 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 4.23 1.30 0.06 0.60 6.19
1 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 X360 2011 Shooter Activision 8.59 4.05 0.13 1.26 14.03
2 Call of Duty: Black Ops X360 2010 Shooter Activision 9.18 3.49 0.11 1.06 13.83
3 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 X360 2009 Shooter Activision 8.32 3.44 0.08 1.25 13.10
5 Call of Duty: Black Ops II X360 2012 Shooter Activision 7.63 3.92 0.05 0.83 12.43
9 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare X360 2007 Shooter Activision 5.69 2.28 0.13 0.86 8.96

Not even the best selling halo has sold out the fourth highest selling Call of Duty.....and these are the sales on JUST 360. This doesn't include ps3 sales.

Not only that, but the top 5 call of duty JUST ON 360, outsells every halo ever made.
WHich doesn't include world at war, or ghosts.

WHat were you saying about multiple platforms meaning higher sales now?

You won't last here long.
The future involves more and more people mocking you for not knowing what you're talking about, you getting frustrated and calling everyone fanboys, and then you'll eventually be banned. You might as well just leave now if you're not interested in facts.



XxGame4lifexX on 14 December 2013
theprof00 said:
XxGame4lifexX said:
Kane1389 said:

So what if its a multiplat? If you buy a PS4, you can only get a PS4 copy of COD and BF. 

if you buy a PS4 and a want a next gen shooter, you can only get PS4 ports on it.  Not Xbone or PS3 versions with it

COD is not as strong as it was a year ago, but its still in top 3 franchises easly and still bigger than Halo

Black Ops 2 outsold Halo 4

You said COD and battlefield are bigger than halo and gears. I was saying they are bigger because they are multiplatform. Halo and gears are not. Its obvious why COD and BF have more sales. 

COD = available on multiple platforms = it reaches a bigger audience = more sales

Halo = 1 platform = lower audience = less sales 

I did not say halo 4 outsold black ops 2. I said it launched along with black ops 2 and it still sold over 1 million copies on day one. It is impressive seeing how big COD is. Killzone is nowhere near as big as halo. That was my point as to why killzone sold good (according to you) and why it outsold xbox one exclusives. 

*rolls eyes* you have not made sense on any comment thuse far.

                     
                     
                     
1 Halo 3 X360 2007 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 7.77 2.74 0.13 1.18 11.82
2 Halo: Reach X360 2010 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 6.75 1.85 0.08 0.75 9.42
3 Halo 4 X360 2012 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 6.04 1.96 0.04 0.64 8.69
4 Halo 2 XB 2004 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 6.82 1.53 0.05 0.08 8.49
5 Halo: Combat Evolved XB 2001 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 4.98 1.30 0.08 0.07 6.43
6 Halo 3: ODST X360 2009 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 4.23 1.30 0.06 0.60 6.19
1 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 X360 2011 Shooter Activision 8.59 4.05 0.13 1.26 14.03
2 Call of Duty: Black Ops X360 2010 Shooter Activision 9.18 3.49 0.11 1.06 13.83
3 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 X360 2009 Shooter Activision 8.32 3.44 0.08 1.25 13.10
5 Call of Duty: Black Ops II X360 2012 Shooter Activision 7.63 3.92 0.05 0.83 12.43
9 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare X360 2007 Shooter Activision 5.69 2.28 0.13 0.86 8.96

Not even the best selling halo has sold out the fourth highest selling Call of Duty.....and these are the sales on JUST 360. This doesn't include ps3 sales.

Not only that, but the top 5 call of duty JUST ON 360, outsells every halo ever made.
WHich doesn't include world at war, or ghosts.

WHat were you saying about multiple platforms meaning higher sales now?

You won't last here long.
The future involves more and more people mocking you for not knowing what you're talking about, you getting frustrated and calling everyone fanboys, and then you'll eventually be banned. You might as well just leave now if you're not interested in facts.

I am looking back at what i said. When did i say halo outsold any COD game???????

I guess someone has to learn how to read. 



Did you know ps4 only supports a 2.4 wireless signal?

The xbox one supports a wireless adapter capable of 2.4 - 5.0ghz.

The ONLY next gen console to do so.